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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:44 PM Feb 2012

The Ticking Clock

*The Israeli governments perspective.

Four reasons why -- this time -- you should believe the hype about Israel attacking Iran.

BY ROBERT HADDICK | FEBRUARY 10, 2012

Washington Post columnist David Ignatius created a tempest last week when he reported U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's prediction that Israel will attack Iran and its nuclear complex "in April, May or June." Ignatius's column was as startling as it was exasperating. When the sitting U.S. defense secretary -- presumably privy to facts not generally available to the public -- makes such a prediction, observers have good reasons to pay attention. On the other hand, the international community has been openly dealing with the Iranian nuclear issue for nearly a decade, with similar crescendos of anticipation having occurred before, all to no effect. Why would this time be different?

Further, an Israeli air campaign against Iran would seem like an amazingly reckless act. And an unnecessary one, too, since international sanctions against Iran's banks and oil market are just now tightening dramatically.

Yet from Israel's point of view, time really has run out. The sanctions have come too late. And when Israeli policymakers consider their advantages and all of the alternatives available, an air campaign, while both regrettable and risky, is not reckless.

Here's why:

1. Time pressure

In his column, Ignatius mentioned this spring as the likely deadline for an Israeli strike. Why so soon? After all, the Iranian program is still under the supervision of IAEA inspectors and Iran has not made any moves to "break out" toward the production of bomb-grade highly enriched uranium.

remainder: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/02/10/the_ticking_clock?page=0,0

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The Ticking Clock (Original Post) Jefferson23 Feb 2012 OP
Paging Harold Camping? oberliner Feb 2012 #1
Haddick is the equivalent of Harold Camping, I'm glad Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #2
Not at all oberliner Feb 2012 #3
If you had read this OP coupled with what Panetta Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #4
Again, you are misunderstanding oberliner Feb 2012 #5
Neither is the author..and I haven't misunderstood your post..using Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #6
Panetta doubts Israel has decided on Iran attack oberliner Feb 2012 #7
It doesn't help you nor your Harold Camp nonsense response, no. Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #8
Can Obama avert war with Iran? Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #9
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Paging Harold Camping?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:34 PM
Feb 2012

Israel Stands Ready to Bomb Iran's Nuclear Sites

JERUSALEM - The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/04/18-5

Published on Saturday, April 18, 2009 by The Times Online/UK

But THIS time...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Not at all
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:43 PM
Feb 2012

But look at that article I excerpted from The Times (UK).

They wrote that Israel was going to attack Iran "within days".

That was in 2009.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. If you had read this OP coupled with what Panetta
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:47 PM
Feb 2012

has stated recently, you wouldn't need to put up such a ridiculous response.

This Op is not stating anything will happen within days..it states:

Four reasons why -- this time -- you should believe the hype about Israel attacking Iran.

Obama and Panetta believe it, why else do you think they have been pushing back and publicly. Because
Israel doesn't want to do this..give me a break.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Again, you are misunderstanding
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:13 PM
Feb 2012

I read the OP - I am not suggesting the OP is stating anything will happen within days.

What I am saying is that people have predicted that such an attack was imminent before, and it came to nothing. Like in 2009.

Hence the reference to Camping.

Israel is not going to attack Iran. Bookmark this thread for reference if you' d like.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Neither is the author..and I haven't misunderstood your post..using
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:25 PM
Feb 2012

Harold Camp as a response was/is ridiculous. Avoiding the fact that the author stated
nothing like Camp did should have been a reason to not post it but you did.

Israel has a history of claiming to plan a strike on Iran, this time is different, as we see
with Panetta's concerns..thus this OP is addressing that difference.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Panetta doubts Israel has decided on Iran attack
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:22 PM
Feb 2012

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said he does not think Israel has made a decision to launch a military strike on Iran to thwart its nuclear ambitions.

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday, Panetta was pressed on the growing possibility that Israel would attack Iran. Israel has blamed Iran for recent diplomatic attacks overseas. Tehran has denied responsibility.

Panetta said Iran was a great concern and the U.S. has a common cause with Israel and the international community to ensure that Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon. He said the U.S. and other nations have taken strong steps with sanctions and stressed the importance of keeping the international community together.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57377526/panetta-doubts-israel-has-decided-on-iran-attack/

Does that help? It's from today.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. It doesn't help you nor your Harold Camp nonsense response, no.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

Considering this from Panetta one needs to mark the time line of what
he said previously, and then add to that Lieberman's recent
visit to D.C...it is not surprising. As I already said earlier, the
U.S. has been pushing back on Israel b/c they evidently were more than concerned
about their public expressions with their war mongering.

I imagine the Israeli government appreciates when people find it news
worthy to post about an Iranian blogger, as you have.

Your problem is that you either do not recognize the difference
between Haddick and Camp, or you don't want to..as I suspect your
main purpose in posting here was to discredit Haddick...who clearly
is speaking from the perspective of Israel's intentions, to take them seriously, not a prediction,
as evidenced by Panetta's previous remarks.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. Can Obama avert war with Iran?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 05:38 PM
Feb 2012

The contradictions of Obama's policy toward Iran went unnoticed in the US, but not in Iran and Israel, writes Porter.

Last Modified: 14 Feb 2012 07:14

Washington, DC - President Barack Obama has finally begun in recent months to signal to Israel that the United States would not get involved in a war started by Binyamin Netanyahu without US approval. If it is pursued firmly and consistently through 2012, the approach stands a very good chance of averting war altogether. If Obama falters, however, the temptation for Netanyahu to launch an attack on Iran, indulging in what one close Israeli observer calls his "messianism" toward the issue of Iran.

Netanyahu, like every previous Israeli prime minister, understands that an Israeli strike against Iran depends not only on US tolerance, but direct involvement against Iran, at least after the initial attack. In May 2008, his predecessor, Ehud Olmert, had requested the approval of George W Bush for an air attack on Iran, only to be refused by Bush.

Netanyahu apparently feels, however, that he can manipulate right-wing Israeli influence on American politics to make it impossible for Obama to stay out of an Israeli war on Iran. He has defied the Obama administration by refusing to assure Washington that he would consult them before making any decision on war with Iran.

The Obama administration's warning signal on the danger of an Israeli attack began flashing red after Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta came back empty-handed from a trip to Israel in September.

US officials then came up with a new strategy for pulling Israel back from the precipice of war by letting Netanyahu know that, if the US were denied a full role in coordinating military policy toward Iran, it would not come to Israel's aid in such a war.

The first step in the strategy came when Panetta was answering questions after a talk at the Saban Centre of Brookings Institution on December 2. He not only expressed clear disapproval of an Israeli attack as counter-productive - something the administration had avoided in 2009 and 2010 - but went on to indicate that the US was concerned that it "could possibly be the target of retaliation from Iran, striking our ships, striking our military bases".

Initial hint by the US

Without saying so directly, that remark hinted that the US would take steps to avoid that situation, if necessary. It was evidently aimed at planting the seed of doubt in Netanyahu's mind that Obama would be willing to respond to Iranian retaliation against Israel in the event of an Israeli strike.

The next move came five weeks later, when Panetta, on CBS news "Face the Nation", made the initial hint even clearer. Panetta was then asked what the US would do if Israel were to strike Iran, despite the refusal to consult the US in advance. Panetta said, "If the Israelis made that decision, we would have to be prepared to protect our forces in that situation. And that's what we'd be concerned about."

The Israelis could easily discern that Panetta really saying the US would not retaliate against Iran unless its own bases or ships in the region were hit by Iran. Given Panetta's statement a month earlier suggesting concern that Iran might retaliate against US forces, that answer could also be regarded as a signal to Iran that the US was prepared to decouple from an Israeli war with Iran.

Although publicly there was studied silence from Jerusalem, that Panetta hint elicited a formal diplomatic protestfrom Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren. And Israel still showed no sign of softening its defiant policy of unilateralism on Iran.

in full: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/201221254919523390.html

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