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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:41 PM

 

Lessons on hypocrisy from Syria

The fighting in Syria once again proves the sad old adage that human rights organizations and their advocates in the mainstream Western media are essentially anti-Israel. There is no other way to explain the fact that all these high-and-mighty moralizers are ignoring the frightening plight of Palestinians and Christians in the Syrian civil war.

You see, there is no anti-Israel angle to the story of Palestinian or Christian suffering in Syria. That suffering can’t really be blamed on the Jews. So nobody cares.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East reports that approximately 250,000 Palestinians have been displaced inside Syria since the beginning of the conflict two years ago. In May, for example, some 6,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes in Ein al-Tal, a refugee camp near Aleppo in northern Syria.

The response from the world: Nothing. Silence.

In addition, more than 55,000 Palestinians have been forced to flee Syria to Lebanon and Jordan over the past two years. In Lebanon, the Palestinian refugees join more than 500,000 other Palestinians who live in refugee camps and are subject to apartheid laws that deny them work, social and health benefits, and freedom of movement.

But of course, there has been no international uproar about this.

Now imagine if six (never mind 60, 600, or 6,000) squatting Palestinian families were forced to move two kilometers out of an IDF firing zone in the southern Hebron hills. There would be UN investigations, international tribunals, condemnations from Western capitals, and much handwringing and moralizing by Amnesty, Human Rights Watch and more.

Actually, this has happened exactly. A grand total of 10 Palestinian families were forced out by an IDF evacuation order. And the world went berserk. It gets much worse. At least 2,000 Palestinians have been killed in Syria, by both the rebels and the Syrian army. But of course, you wouldn’t know about this from the Western press.

more @ http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Lessons-on-hypocrisy-from-Syria-331109

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Reply Lessons on hypocrisy from Syria (Original post)
shira Nov 2013 OP
dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #1
shira Nov 2013 #2
resistance08 Nov 2013 #3
shira Nov 2013 #6
Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #4
shira Nov 2013 #5
azurnoir Nov 2013 #19
shira Nov 2013 #20
azurnoir Nov 2013 #21
shira Nov 2013 #22
azurnoir Nov 2013 #23
shira Nov 2013 #24
azurnoir Nov 2013 #25
shira Nov 2013 #26
azurnoir Nov 2013 #27
Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #28
shira Nov 2013 #30
Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #31
shira Nov 2013 #32
bemildred Nov 2013 #7
shira Nov 2013 #8
bemildred Nov 2013 #9
shira Nov 2013 #10
bemildred Nov 2013 #11
shira Nov 2013 #12
bemildred Nov 2013 #13
shira Nov 2013 #14
bemildred Nov 2013 #15
shira Nov 2013 #16
bemildred Nov 2013 #17
oberliner Nov 2013 #18
Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #29

Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:12 PM

1. Failed analogy

Syria's borders are established fact. Israel's are illusionary by occupation of foreign territory.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:17 PM

2. Huh? I'm sure that makes sense to you, but it doesn't explain the human rights posers....

 

...who claim to care so much about Palestinians and Christians, but only when Israel can be blamed.

Apparently in your view, Palestinians and Christians only have human rights when there's an anti- Israel angle. Otherwise, you don't give a FF.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:40 AM

3. But the fight in Syria is for israel

 

If you look at your allegation, it is not entirely valid. There is definitely an uproar from Human rights organizations.
In syria, the war is going on right now.
In syria, the govt does not have complete control over the country and the people, unlike in Israel. Hence, the less uproar.

In Israel, there is no large scale war and the country is under the complete control of the govt. They can adjust and change the area of the military exercise. Maybe ask some jews to vacate their land (Now that is unlikely).
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But there is one more angle to it.
Why is the west spending and sending weapons and money, either directly or through their lackeys? Why are they prolonging the war?

The war in Syria is to remove an anti-israeli govt and replace it with a pro-israeli one.

Eventually, israel and hegemony is a part of the big picture.


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Response to resistance08 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:22 AM

6. Whaaa? Who is this pro-Israel gov't that would be installed in place of Assad?

 

The opposition is arguably worse than Assad and is composed of both the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda. Neither of the 2 are friendly towards Israel. Where are you getting your information?

And you're wrong about media and world silence WRT Palestinians and Christians in Syria. The world couldn't care less. There's very little media attention on the 2 besieged groups of people. The UN hasn't said a word about them. The reason is because Jews cannot be blamed for their plight.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:47 AM

4. What a load of cynical and politically motivated crap...

The response from the world: Nothing. Silence.


Only a completely blind moron would say that the world's ignored the situation in Syria.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:16 AM

5. Count the number of UN resolutions and compare that number to those against Israel....

 

It's no contest over the past 2 years.

Here's a video 3 weeks after Assad gassed thousands. There had been no emergency session at the UN up to that point because the UN was too busy singling out and obsessing about Israel.



Now the thing is, if you read the OP you'd notice it's about Palestinians and Christians in Syria who are suffering and being killed. The silence about these 2 groups is deafening because Jews can't be blamed for their plight.

This is the corrupt, broken UN you support....a UN that couldn't give a shit about Palestinians and Christians unless Jews can be blamed. And you thought they were pro-Palestinian, didn't you?



Where are all the resolutions condemning Arab regimes for their plight in Gaza, Syria, Egypt....? Name one. Just one!

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Response to shira (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:26 PM

19. UNHRC condemns rights violations in Syria

The UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) Friday strongly condemned the continued gross, systematic and widespread violations of human rights and all violations of international humanitarian law in Syria and urged the government to grant immediate access to the UN commission of inquiry.

The UNHRC demanded that the Syrian authorities cooperate fully with the commission of inquiry, including by granting it immediate, full and unfettered access throughout the country.

"The council strongly condemned the continued gross, systematic and widespread violations of human rights and all violations of international humanitarian law by the Syrian authorities and affiliated militias, as well as any human rights abuses and violations of international humanitarian law by armed opposition groups," its said in a resolution adopted at the end of its 24th session.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/unhrc-condemns-rights-violations-syria-144805899.html

and

Syria: UN human rights chief condemns use of chemical weapons Sep 9, 2013

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay spoke two days ahead of the expected update from a UN panel probing for war crimes and other human rights abuses in Syria, including the use of chemical weapons. The 47-nation UN Human Rights Council, which authorized the probe, is likely to consider a resolution on Syria before the end of its session.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/syria-un-human-rights-chief-condemns-use-of-chemical-weapons-1095773.html?utm_source=ref_article

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:34 PM

20. A condemnation is not a resolution. Try again? Israel gets condemned a lot too....

 

...but there are also many resolutions vs. Israel, unlike Syria. Also, there's nothing singling out persecution vs. Palestinian refugees or Christians. The UN recognizes Palestinians and Christians when they condemn and do write-ups on Israel, but these groups apparently don't have human rights when Jews can't be blamed.

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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:40 PM

21. yep keep right on a goin on there shira

your post(s) starring rightwing organizations have been shown as the load they are period

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:10 PM

22. Yeah, I guess quoting Obama Admin. and Kofi Annan is rightwing to fringe leftists. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:14 PM

23. you did NOT quote Obama 's administration in the post I replied to period n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:23 PM

24. March 2013: U.S. rips U.N. HRC for ‘disproportionate’ Israel focus

 

http://www.jta.org/2013/03/19/news-opinion/united-states/u-s-rips-u-n-human-rights-council-for-disproportionate-israel-focus

August 2013: Ban Ki Moon admits to UN Bias and Discrimination vs. Israel

On Aug. 16, Ban told university students at the UN headquarters in Jerusalem, “Unfortunately, because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel has been weighed down by criticism and suffered from bias and sometimes even discrimination.”


“I’ve been in touch with the Secretary-General’s office in New York, and I can assure you that what he said there in New York was not meant as a retraction,” Serry said on Israel Radio. “Ban has said, unfortunately, because of the conflict, Israel has been weighed down by criticism, and suffered from lies and sometimes even discrimination,” Serry added. “This is what I know he has been saying here, and I know this is what he stands for.”


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/un-ban-ki-moon-did-not-mean-to-retract-statement-on-anti-israel-bias/2013/08/27/

I'm sorry that these are considered horrifically rightwing sources to you.

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Response to shira (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:28 PM

25. still no Obama and NOT the UNwatch you've been using

so what did you hope to accomplish by saying I find the JewishPress rightwing?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

26. Samantha Power is Obama's hand-picked representative @ the UN

 

July 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's choice as U.N. ambassador says if she's confirmed by the Senate, she'll work to eliminate what she calls the United Nations' "unacceptable bias and attacks" on Israel.

Samantha Power says she'll also work to make the U.N. more efficient and stand up for freedom.

Power has been criticized by some groups for past comments considered critical of Israel.

Still, the former journalist and human rights activist is expected to be confirmed.

The Irish-born Power told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday that the U.S. has no "greater friend" than Israel.
She criticized the U.N. for its "disproportionate" focus on Israel.

Power also said the Security Council's failure to stop Syria's civil war is a "disgrace that history will judge harshly."


Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/samantha-power-no-more-bias-against-israel-91502.html#ixzz2kvukGNUE
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Response to shira (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 03:36 PM

27. so now you ante-up a ,representative-finally- is this some sort of pre-attempt to demonize the UN

just in case the current 'Peace' talks fall through?

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Response to shira (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:25 PM

28. Me and Az counted yesterday and you totally blew it off...

I came to the conclusion several years ago that yr clueless when it comes to the UN, how it's structured, or what the actual problems are in specific areas (hint hint: veto power of permanent members of the Security Council may have been a great idea immediately after WWII, but some abuse their power).

Now the thing is, if you read the OP you'd notice it's about Palestinians and Christians in Syria who are suffering and being killed


I read it. Which is why I said it's cynical and politically motivated bullshit written by someone who's giving a great example of hypocrisy with every word they write. Despite his mewling about the world being silent, I just have to turn on the telly to be aware that there's a tidal wave of refugees fleeing Syria. Only a sick weirdo would ignore Syrians who aren't Christian, especially as there's a hell of a lot of them. The exodus of refugees is so massive that when the world talks about refugees, they don't care what religion or nationality they are. Only someone who's got an agenda that's so blatant that Blind Freddy couldn't miss it would zero in, ignore all the rest and only focus on some.

btw, thanks for being consistent. The person who wrote that OP has some rather unusual views on Obama. In another article he's whining that Obama's deliberately weakening the US by appeasing the Arabs and he's outraged that Obama sees the US as just another member of the global community and not the leader who can attack other countries with impunity and demand other countries adhere to international law while the US blithely ignores it. This guy is really pining for the good ol' days of Bushco...

The silence about these 2 groups is deafening because Jews can't be blamed for their plight.


I always have to wonder about the intelligence levels of folk who fling such idiotic stuff around without realising it can be easily turned around on them by using their 'logic'. Here goes with the use of that mindless 'logic': That means he believes that his own silence (more likely slavering denial that they are actually refugees) on the plight of Palestinian refugees when it comes to Israel's part in it is because Arabs can't be blamed for their plight. In fact, it means he and those who sail along with him nodding in agreement must hate Arabs, coz there's clearly no other reasons for anyone to ignore or deny it other than they want to blame the Arabs for everything.

See how stupid that line of 'thinking' is. I know advocates of that 'thinking' are hypocrites who'd shriek 'BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!' when it's turned back on them, but rational folk can see it for what it is...

This is the corrupt, broken UN you support....


Here you go again with that ridiculous crap where you treat countries and international organisations as though they're football teams with cheerleaders. Has it crossed yr mind at all that there's things that normal people don't support or hate with a burning fury? That things just exist and the world isn't a place where yr either with something or against something with no grey area in between?

For the record, the only thing I support is the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles. They're a football team. I think they even have cheer-leaders.

Where are all the resolutions condemning Arab regimes for their plight in Gaza, Syria, Egypt....? Name one. Just one!


What's this thing with you and Arabs? Yr very very fixated on them....



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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:51 PM

30. You didn't count many resolutions vs Syria. There've only been a few in the past 2 years....

 

There have been dozens against Israel.

I don't see how anyone like yourself, who says they stand for universal human rights everywhere, can justify that.

And only the deliberately blind would deny there's been 100x more world coverage about Israel's perceived violations against Palestinians than Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, or Syria's violations.

You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit games here.

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Response to shira (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 07:11 PM

31. You made out that there's nothing but resolutions involving Israel...

Yet when me and Az showed you a link to all the resolutions that proved that was bullshit, you started cherry-picking and 'yeah, but, so-and-so gets mentioned less!!' Seriously, how long will it take for you to start complaining about the word-count in resolutions? It's on the same level of silliness...

I can totally understand why someone like you doesn't see things about me. If you did, I'd start to worry I'm doing something wrong...

And only the deliberately blind would deny there's been 100x more world coverage about Israel's perceived violations against Palestinians than Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, or Syria's violations.


I see yr starting to gallop off on another tangent. Do you want me to follow you?

You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit games here.


So now you take it upon yrself to speak on behalf of all other DUers? I guess that'd be an easy mistake for someone who regularly insists they know what other DUers think even when that DUers there telling you that's not what they think...





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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:37 PM

32. Again, country-specific resolutions on human rights. You keep forgetting that...

 

Israel has more of them than all other nations combined for the past year.

You've done nothing to disprove that, your deflections withstanding......not that it's even possible to disprove. I'll give you credit for doing everything but challenging the accusation head-on. Deflection is what you do best with your little games here.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:24 AM

7. Yes, quite. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:33 AM

8. Huh? Did I miss all the media and UN attention on Palestinian refugees & Xtians in Syria? n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:35 AM

9. Yes, apparently you did. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:43 AM

10. You're right. We all did because there was none. And that's the problem, isn't it? n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:45 AM

11. No, that's not it. And I'm not going to do your googling for you either.

There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around without having to make things up.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:01 AM

12. There's been no International uproar about Palestinians & Xtians in Syria....

 

No UN resolutions whatsoever about these besieged groups.

Apparently, the anti-Israel crowd prefers it that way.

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Response to shira (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:03 AM

13. Always a pleasure when we can chat like this. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:04 AM

14. I don't even know why u argue against such an OP when u have nothing to argue with. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:06 AM

15. No sense of Irony I take it? nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:24 AM

16. Next time u call bullshit on an OP, justify it with something. Anything. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:36 AM

17. Please see post #15. nt

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:56 PM

18. That wasn't the claim though

 

The claim was that the world ignored the fact that "... 6,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes in Ein al-Tal" - which is certainly a more reasonable claim than that the world has ignored the situation in Syria (which is not what is claimed in the quote you excerpted).

With respect to what is actually claimed in the quote, do you know if there there any UN resolutions condemning that expulsion?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:29 PM

29. Well, when someone talks about refugees, they're talking about all of them...

The author of the OP is a raving RW nutter who attacks Obama for appeasing Arabs in earlier articles at JPost. When the world talks about the Syrian refugee crisis, they're talking about all of them, not just ones cherry-picked to score some political points...

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