Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumMandela’s SA Boycott Success Sparks Israel Debate
JERUSALEM Recent successes in the Palestinian campaign to boycott Jewish settlements have given fresh impetus to calls for sanctions against Israel like those that brought down apartheid in South Africa.
Since the European Union said it would block grants and funding for any Israeli entity operating over the 1967 lines, a growing number of international bodies have taken similar steps to cut ties, in a move that has sparked alarm in Israel.
"This has happened in recent days," commentator Chemi Shalev wrote in the newspaper Haaretz, listing a series of steps as proof that the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement was gaining ground.
"The Dutch water company Vitens severed its ties with Israeli counterpart Mekorot, Canadas largest Protestant church decided to boycott three Israeli companies; the Romanian government refused to send any more construction workers; and American Studies Association academics are voting on a measure to sever links with Israeli universities," he wrote.
The boycott debate has been further stoked by the death on December 5 of Nelson Mandela as the world remembered his lifes work in pushing for a global boycott that contributed to bringing down the minority white government of Pretoria.
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http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/mideast/2013/12/16/mandelas-sa-boycott-success-sparks-israel-debate
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)viewed by looking outside of Israel. In that way you will see that Israel isn't the problem.
From the article.
And global scrutiny of Israels ties with the apartheid regime in the 1970s and 1980s only served to give "valuable ammunition to those who would equate the two.
"More ominously, from an Israeli point of view, the analogy between todays Israel and yesterdays South Africa could also stoke a belief that the former can be brought to its knees in much the same way as the latter was in the late 1970s and early 1980s," he added.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And Jewish businesses is not a 21st century new phenomenon ....
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)spelling "Israel."
but please, victim on...
King_David
(14,851 posts)Not since 1948
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)The people of Israel or Bnai Yisrael are no longer victims ... Not since 1948 .
Strong Jews ... No longer novel..
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Israeli
(4,139 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but little by little
Israeli
(4,139 posts)ref : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3516193,00.html
"I believe that things would change only if Israel receives a strong message that as long as the occupation continues it would not be a legitimate member of the international community, and that until then its academics, doctors and authors would not be welcome. A similar boycott was imposed on South Africa. It took 21 years, but it eventually led to the end of Apartheid."
last time I attended a lecture by Ilan Pappe he told us it was inevitable .
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King_David
(14,851 posts)Was established because Jewish doctors couldn't get internships , residencies and privileges in the other hospitals.
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King_David
(14,851 posts)German Jews said it had stopped in 1935 and now Israeli ( a Jew ) said it's stopped in 2013.
Homophobia hasn't stopped neither and nor has racism.
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King_David
(14,851 posts)That we need deal with .
Indeed nothing changes...
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King_David
(14,851 posts)We are hearing this for many many years and actually in a way your right , the only reason that Jews are no longer weak little "victims" and equals in the world and strong in Hollywood , Wall Street and a big influence in The White House is the existence of the State of Israel as the Jewish State...
Strong Jews ... Who would of thought this in 1940?
shira
(30,109 posts)And it's attitudes here that demonstrate just why Israel is needed.
BDS won't work, sorry to say. Simply put, Jews aren't willing to slit their own throats. You'll need a better plan to bring down Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)Are women, gays, blacks, and christians equal under Hamas or PA rule in the territories?
Is there a push to make that so? Nope.
Why would you think everyone would be equal in a greater Palestine with a Jewish minority?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I expect the push back from this to be ugly very ugly
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,139 posts)" Deputy FM Elkin says ASA is 'radical leftist group' "
I'd never heard of them before yesterday azurnoir ..... whats your take on ASA ?
BTW I have just read this :
http://www.theasa.net/from_the_editors/item/council_statement_on_the_academic_boycott_of_israel_resolution/
thank goodness for this ....
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)my take is they are brave very brave because they will be denounced as we can plainly see, but extreme Leftist no more so than Stephen Hawking
" but extreme Leftist no more so than Stephen Hawking "
thanks ... thats what I was guessing .
shira
(30,109 posts)I always get a kick out of "leftwing" progressives who cheer on bigotry.
And as Chomsky effectively argues, this hurts the Palestinian cause. It's too easy to dismiss this lunacy as antisemitism. You guys are just going too far in your demonization attempts. Instead of Israeli universities, why not target just the settlements? But no...hate blinds. The BDS crowd cannot help but overreach.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Response to Reply #2
3. chomsky...
has a history with holocaust deniers and has been quoted as saying holocaust denial is not anti-semitism. He cannot be taken seriously on any matters concerning Jews.
What's fascinating is that you linked to a youtube video on 911 "fake planes". Do you take that crap as seriously as you do Chomsky?
The internet remembers all hypocrites, Shira.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's over 5 years old.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)was temporarily denied entry to Israel anything else?
here's shira on that incident-
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53. It's Israel's gain. They're going to copy Chomsky's passport and use it for another Dubai...
....in the near future.
One positive way to look at this is that Israel's just as likely to ban Jews as Palestinians from Israel/W.Bank.
So these decisions aren't really "racist".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x312745
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Who can say?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as I said I found his attitude towards Palestinians patronizing
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)5 or 6 years ago I used to take such efforts of documenting but have grown tired. Glad to see someone else now has the interest.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)who watch the hypocrite like a hawk. I bookmarked it a while ago.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And I'm sure a lot of people will thank you for your very brave and tireless effort in making sure the 12 people posting and reading this forum remain honest.
A great personal sacrifice of time . I am sure you will receive well deserved international recognition for this important work .
Keep it up, we all applaud you ...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A DU I/P summit!
King_David
(14,851 posts)And they expanding at a rapid rate despite BDS ... Let's all eat there?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That could be quite a happening.
shira
(30,109 posts)Israeli
(4,139 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)I was in Toronto and they all over there..
A real Israeli success story into Notth American markets-- Kol Hakavod
King_David
(14,851 posts)I'll take you for dinner in February if you want .. My treat... I'll even pick you up from the Kibbutz and drop you off home after?
Israeli
(4,139 posts)but no thanks King_David ..... we " elitists " tend to keep ourselves to ourselves .
apart from that what exactly do you expect to gain from us meeting ????
Quote : " I will be automatic rank of Lietenant and able to order cute straight
army boys around...."
you dont want me knowing who you are King_David ....I will end your army career before it even begins .
King_David
(14,851 posts)Before you stray too far .
Israeli
(4,139 posts)and what do you consider straying " too far " King_David ?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)it comes to how much this forum is read.
This thread has 541 views and I don't see the 'group of 12' pumping it up that high by themselves.
Thanks for playing just the same...
shira
(30,109 posts)The point is that as hostile as he is to Israel, even Chomsky admits BDS is bullshit.
I could quote Abbas on rejecting BDS too. It doesn't mean I support Abbas.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as antisemitism and be creative of such a gaseous cloud of stink that the entire meaning and motives movement would be lost in it, I see your doing your part in that creation-so just how much political bean and cabbage soup must one consume to accomplish that?
shira
(30,109 posts)You're doing a great job, BTW.
Chomsky says u may as well join AIPAC and be done with it.
He says BDS is not an initiative of the Palestinians, who won't even boycott settlement products - much less an Israeli University.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)seems like it what he said was that due to the stink and false accusation (see mirror) that would be created it would ultimately hurt the Palestinians actually I found his attitude towards the Palestinians rather patronizing
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in your opinion
Israeli
(4,139 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Appreciate them all, you are like a human Google.
But we prefer hear your actual opinion than have to watch a few videos , read a few dissertations of Avrum Burg or Shulamit Aloni to find out what Israeli thinks.
Israeli
(4,139 posts)my apologies ....
its difficult competing with someone who visits now and then on a tourist visa ... compared to living here for 63 years
King_David
(14,851 posts)And of course you have your pride in the country , I am proud of your country too. Proud of the track record with respect to the Gay file , pride of the multiple success and proud of you and your family's service to the country ...
shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4096
Mandela.
Zionist.