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Related: About this forumBoycott of Israeli universities: A repugnant attack on academic freedom
By Michael S. Roth
December 19, 2013, 6:55 p.m.
The American Studies Assn. recently passed a resolution that "endorses and
honor[s] the call of Palestinian civil society for a boycott of Israeli academic institutions." The action was taken, the group explained, because "there is no effective or substantive academic freedom for Palestinian students and scholars under conditions of Israeli occupation," and because "Israeli institutions of higher learning are a party to Israeli state policies that violate human rights and negatively impact the working conditions of Palestinian scholars and students."
But the boycott is a repugnant attack on academic freedom, declaring academic institutions off-limits because of their national affiliation.
The ASA has not gone on record against universities in any other country: not against those that enforce laws against homosexuality, not against those that have rejected freedom of speech, not against those that systematically restrict access to higher education by race, religion or gender. No, the ASA listens to civil society only when it speaks against Israel. As its scholarly president declared, "One has to start somewhere." Not in North Korea, not in Russia or Zimbabwe or China one has to start with Israel. Really?
The 820-plus ASA members who voted for the resolution are sanctioning universities and their faculties because of their government's policies. Many Israeli professors, like many other citizens, oppose the policies of the current government. But these schools have now run afoul of the ASA and are subject to boycott.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-roth-academic-boycott-israel-20131219,0,187403.story#ixzz2o9y6ILdJ
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There are so many academic connections between US universities, and the universities of North Korea and Zimbabwe, aren't there? I can't name any, but that's surely because there are just too many to name!
Once again, it's just a laundry list of "other people who do bad things," divorced from the actual context of the issue.
Also, just me or has your avatar changed four times in as many hours?
Edit: Five! it's like watching a very slow-motion slot machine.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)* As a citizen of the United States, I have supported efforts to develop new approaches to achieving peace in the Middle East. As a Jew, I have argued against the policies of the current Israeli government, many of which I find abhorrent. ( end)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I guess it really is dependent on whether or not you're saying something David likes to hear, huh?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But I'm not seeing the connection between this and your earlier argument to strip a man's Jewish identity on the basis that you disagreed with him. Unless you're posting this image in some sort of statement of clueless knucklehead solidarity.
By the by? nobody should buy KFC. Shit's nasty - these guys should have used comic sans to convey that.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Protest march against the anti-Islamic film in Colombo, Sri Lanka
http://www.demotix.com/news/1474458/protest-march-against-anti-islamic-film-colombo-sri-lanka#media-1474546
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I think Delrem is right, DU hasbara is dying of self-inflicted wounds.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The website he took it from is interesting too...all about being "strong".
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)That's my take on the OP's I read there...I don't see how else one could interpret it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Interesting reading material, mr. surgeon, the articles one can find there:
ISRAEL NEWS
Report: Palestinian Group Responsible For Lockerbie Bombing
Christian Group Plans 100-Foot-Tall jesus Statue In Muslim-Dominated Nazareth
Arab League Nixes American Proposal To Let IDF Stay In West Bank In Peace Deal
Former Palestinian PM Caught Speeding Near Jerusalem
U.S., Britain Spied On Olmert And Netanyahu
Kerry To Force Security Plan On Netanyahu
Reagan: Palestinians Do Not Want Peace - They Want Israel
In special interview with Arutz Sheva, son of former US President Ronald Reagan discusses the importance of Israels security.
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2013/12/21/reagan-palestinians-do-not-want-peace-they-want-israel/
Among others at your trusted source:
What Is Palestine And Who Are Palestinians
Posted on 12/22/2013 by admin
The gentleman, and I use the term loosely here, who's opinions are relied upon is Francisco Gil-White.
Political activism
Gil-White was fired from the University of Pennsylvania.[6] Gil-White claims that this was a politically motivated dismissal, a consequence of his investigative journalism, such as his refutation of the conventional version of the 1990s civil wars in Yugoslavia[7] and his claim that the Palestine Liberation Organisation traces its roots to Adolf Hitler's World War II Final Solution.[8] Gil-White has made public documents relevant to his dispute with the University of Pennsylvania,.[9][10] As a consequence of the protest registered by UPenn students in the context of his dismissal, on February 17, 2005, Gil-White appeared on Hannity and Colmes (Fox News Channel) in a segment on "how far academic freedom should go."
Gil-White was assistant editor at the online magazine Emperor's Clothes[11] from 2002 to 2005, and now runs his Foundation for the Analysis of Conflict, Ethnic and Social (FACES), which supports his website, Historical and Investigative Research, which publishes his political writings.
Francisco Gil-White teamed up with Israeli citizen Chaim Wolfowicz to create StrongIsrael.org in order to protest what they consider a repetition of the WWII appeasement of the German Nazis in the Oslo Process. The website gathers signatures from Israel and from all over the world in opposition to any more territorial concessions by the Israeli government to PLO/Fatah. Francisco Gil-White was interviewed by Israel National Radio on Sunday, October 27, 2007, about the StrongIsrael effort.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Gil-White
King_David
(14,851 posts)Where was the photo taken ?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Sri Lanka is where the protest took place.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Well I skimmed it truth be told .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The staunchest opponents have used silencing tactics rather than debate to challenge BDS efforts. These tactics are often heavy-handed and include threats of legal action, cessation of donor funding, and even the intervention of the political establishment. None of these tactics demonstrate or represent popular opposition to BDS.
In January 2013, Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz spearheaded a campaign to force Brooklyn College to cancel a talk about BDS. Then, BDS opponents rallied several New York politicians to openly threaten rescinding funding for the public school if it proceeded with the lecture. The threats backfired as faculty members, Brooklyn Colleges president, as well as Mayor Michael Bloomberg defended the sanctity of academic freedom. In response to their divestment efforts, Berkeley students endured and withstood a Department of Justice Title VI investigation alleging that they created a hostile climate on campus for Jewish students. An Olympia, Washington, co-op successfully defended itself against a lawsuit that sought to block enforcement of a boycott of Israeli goods and to collect monetary damages from the co-op board for breaching its fiduciary duties.
The opposition to the ASA resolution has been no different. Dershowitz penned an open letter threatening ASA members, "For those of you for whom shame is not enough, please understand that a vote for a boycott will expose you and your association both for legal and academic consequences."
This threat was not lost on the ASAs membership that gathered on 23 November 2013 to discuss the resolution at an open forum. Of the forty-four speakers randomly selected to speak for two minutes each, thirty-seven began their comments by affirming their support for the resolution. Several of them recounted how they endured violations of their own academic freedom to critique Israel. One speaker, a former student of the late Professor Edward W. Said, recalled how his office was firebombed in an effort to intimidate and silence him. Another recalled the politicized tenure battles waged against Professors Joseph Massad, Nadia Abu al Haj, and Norman Finkelstein, who contravened the unspoken truism among scholars that you do not speak about Palestine until you have secured the safeguards of tenure. Every academic and student who spoke, knew that by supporting the resolution for academic boycott of Israel, they were placing themselves in the line of fire. This knowledge among ASAs membership, coupled with the fact that an overwhelming majority among it was ready to speak anyway, contributed to a sense of victory for the boycott effort regardless of the official vote by the Executive Committee. According to Professor Nadine Naber, associate professor of Gender and Womens Studies and Asian American Studies at the University of Illinois - Chicago,
Because the open discussion about Palestinian human rights that happened [at the ASA meeting] rarely happens in the US, people called the meeting historic
This is just one way the resolution creates new openings for academic freedom and the perspectives that dominant US and Israeli discourses systematically ignore, crush, and silence.
Significantly, no one took to the microphone to defend Israels practices (although one speaker did explain how he has a Palestinian friend who thinks the biggest problem facing Palestinians is Palestinian corruption and violence). Opponents of the boycott resolution argued that the resolution should go to a membership-wide referendum (the petition in support of the resolution garnered 1,008 signatures and the one against approximately 400). They argued that they were blindsided by the proposal (it was proposed and made public a year ago). They also argued that Israel is not unique for its violations (i.e., China and the US have an equal, if not worse, track record). All seven naysayers objected to the resolution on procedural grounds rather than challenging the substance of Israels violations.
Turning Corners: Mainstreaming Scrutiny of Israel
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/15346/toward-an-ethic-of-legitimate-dissent_academic-boy
Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #5)
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)How does it actually make a difference?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I find the question disingenuous...you have been posting on this subject for years, oberliner.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)such pointless objective..yes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's at the link you provided.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I was curious to hear yours.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)the boycott wont touch the engine of the israeli economy because its hi tech..and how many of the boycotters will forgo their computer/navigation/communication systems...none
The boycott attempt has two aspects: one is the "low hanging fruit' which is exactly that, israeli foods....which will affect the lower/weaker strands of the israeli society, including the Palestenians which in turn, wont be enough for any serious change, but the boycotters get to feel empowered by hitting at the weaker people in israel and in the PA.
the other end is the censorship crowd, for the Universities, this is more of an immature "feel good" kind of boycott, since the universities are infact the core of the left in israel. Boycotts aimed at them, tend to show the left israelis that the western left is a different animal from the general israeli left (our poster here israeli though in the extreme, will not address that issue for obvious reasons).
and of course censorship is generally considered bad, but there those that don't believe israelis should be heard.