Israeli forces injure infant, man in Kafr Qaddum

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=667868

QALQILIYA (Ma'an) -- One man was struck in the shoulder by a tear-gas canister and dozens suffered from excessive tear-gas inhalation after Israeli forces raided the village of Kafr Qaddum following a protest.

Witnesses said Israeli forces fired tear gas into residential areas in the village as clashes broke out following the village's weekly protest, hitting one man and injuring dozens, including a 2-month-old infant.

Photographer Jafar Shtayyah, meanwhile, was struck with a tear-gas canister fired by Israeli forces in the shoulder.
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An Israeli spokeswoman said she was not familiar with the incident.

If you protest our apartheid state we will kill you. If you protest our apartheid state we will injure your children. If you get in the way of us taking what is left of your lands then see the first two examples.
-The apartheid picnic

And yes, DUers, we fund this shit. Are you happy about that?

[dlwickham]

1. I'm pretty damn happy about it

shame that someone had to drag an infant into the middle of a protest

why don't the Palestinians care more about their children

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Really? You're happy that the IDF was shooting at protesters in their own village?

Coordinator for the local popular resistance committee Murad Shtewi said that Israeli forces fired over 10 tear-gas canisters toward his house, causing his family to suffer from the tear-gas inhalation.

Among those affected by the use of excessive tear gas was his 2-month old daughter, Bisan

Perhaps you didn't use the sarcasm thingy?

But if you are being candid then why is it a good thing in your opinion?

Would it be good if that was happening in the USA? Against African Americans? Against the GLBT community? Others? Democrats?

[Violet_Crumble]

4. They're for real. I'm very familiar with their 'contributions' at DU2 n/t

[King_David]

16. Nice tag team

This article from maan is a little suspect to say the least . Needs a cross reference .

[dlwickham]

38. I googled the town

and found out that these "protests" have been going on for a while

if you know that there are going to be armed troops in your town and you know that there are going to be people from your town throwing various items at said troops, wouldn't you get out of the way?

wouldn't you take your children someplace where they wouldn't get in the middle of the fighting?

common sense, no?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. "these 'protests' have been going on for a while"

It seems odd that if there is a regular protest in a Palestinian village that the IDF needs to come packing and ready for a *fight, but then I guess that the Palestinians should just take their children someplace else...unless you read the first paragraph.

The first paragraph reads that the IDF raided the town after the protest.

QALQILIYA (Ma'an) -- One man was struck in the shoulder by a tear-gas canister and dozens suffered from excessive tear-gas inhalation after Israeli forces raided the village of Kafr Qaddum following a protest

following a protest...

Now if you know that the IDF tends to be belligerent to Palestinians wherer do they go to get away from the IDF, and more importantly why does the IDF feel the need to instill terror in a Palestinian town where this protest happens every week?

[dlwickham]

44. instill terror?

these people weren't cowering in their homes now were they

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. What would it matter if they were in their homes, on their front stoop, talking to a

neighbor or anything else. They were assaulted.

The fact remains that the IDF raided the town using tear gas, after a protest, and your original response was *"I'm pretty damn happy about it."

Every response since has shown you dig yourself deeper into a hole.

Please stop.

Would you have said the same thing * back during the era of Dr. martin Luther King when African Americans were protesting for their rights?

Are you sure that you are posting on the right message board? This is a place for Democrats, Liberals and Progressives.

[dlwickham]

49. Dr. King advocated non-violence

not launching rockets against schools and suicide bombing

I think the PLO and its successor terrorist groups are more like the Klan

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

50. So all Palestinians are terrorists by your measure?

That's what you are implying.

Dr. King advocated non-violence and there were still plenty of southerners that said "I'm pretty damn happy about it" when pacifist freedom riders were beaten, arrested or killed as well as when a white racist put a bullet through MLK's head.

But do go on about how these villagers are all launching rockets against schools and suicide bombing during their weekly protest, and how the IDF is somehow justified to attack them after it is over.

If that hole you're in is gets any deeper I'm not sure f you will be able to reach your keyboard.

[dlwickham]

51. you make have really strong legs to make a leap like that

or just a lack of reading comprehension

I'm going with the latter

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

52. Not really. Remember what I wrote about you digging a hole?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113456663#post1

dlwickham
1. I'm pretty damn happy about it

shame that someone had to drag an infant into the middle of a protest

why don't the Palestinians care more about their children



You start off by cheering for the IDF raid on a Palestinian village. You didn't read the article before lambasting the Palestinians about not caring about their children; which show your contempt for Palestinians right off the bat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113456663#post49

dlwickham
49. Dr. King advocated non-violence

not launching rockets against schools and suicide bombing

I think the PLO and its successor terrorist groups are more like the Klan

On one hand you praise MLK while lambasting the Palestinians again...not for protesting but for being terrorists. This OP was about the IDf raiding a Palestinian village after a protest. That's something that the real Klan of old would do in the USA: attack others for standing up for their rights.

The Palestinians were protesting, and the IDF attacked them for it while you apparently cheer it on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113456663#post39

dlwickham
39. why should I give a crap about someone's kids if they don't

the people in this town have been throwing their little protests for weeks now

they knew that the IDF would be there and if attacked, they're going to fire on the attackers

a reasonable person wouldn't put their kids in harm's way if they knew something was likely to happen



Are you a Democrat or a Liberal?

I ask this because not giving a crap about others...being pretty damn glad that people are being attacked is not a Democratic value.

These reasonable people live in their village...protest in their village, and if it was America would you be cheering for this kind of vile abuse of power like you do for the belligerent IDF?


Yes, or no?


Your hole is waiting.

[King_David]

43. One would think,

Yes

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. Do you?

Think?

The assault on the village took place after the protest. That's an assault.

[Violet_Crumble]

3. Yr happy?? That's one fucking sicko attitude that's been posted...

I know it's difficult for some to follow things, but the IDF raided the village. They're the ones that shouldn't be there, not the father and his baby.

As for that bullshit whining about 'why don't the Palestinians care about their kids', that crap's more suited at RW sites where those who tend to peddle it support the Palestinians being kicked out of the West Bank. They're the same creatures who totally support Israeli settlers having their kids in the West Bank...

Your post was ugly, lacking in any sort of empathy, and a great example of how a lack of concern for human life (on the other side of that which they're cheerleading for) takes over some extremists when it comes to this conflict. Revolting...

[Mosby]

5. FYI - It's Ma'an, we don't know if this actually happened.

But here's a hint, when they say:

An Israeli spokeswoman said she was not familiar with the incident.

It's usually a signal that it's utter bullshit - you're welcome.

[Violet_Crumble]

6. This coming from someone who posts things from PMW...

Yeah, extreme RW pro-settler sources run by a bigoted setter is fine, but if a source is an Arab one, we're supposed to treat it as bullshit?

No offense, but yr idea of what's biased and what's not reeks of bias. An IDF person says they're not familiar with something that happened means it's bullshit? Would that rule exist on Planet Hasbara? It's just that it's a well known fact that the IDF injure and even kill Palestinians on a regular basis, and there's been many deaths and injuries when the IDF tries to break up any protest. So what on earth would make you think that the reporting of yet another incident must be bullshit? Is there any rational explanation, or is it just because you don't want to believe it?

And I think everyone should note that you don't appear to have a problem with what that other poster said and just popped up to slam a source that's as credible as Ha'aretz or any other mainstream source...

[Mosby]

7. I'm just facing facts, something you appear to be incapable of

The assertions in this Ma'an article from yesterday for example, has not been confirmed by any other media source:

Foundation: Israeli excavations in Silwan demolish Islamic antiquities
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=667296

and this one from the 16th contains outright lies:

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=665772
Palestinian officials condemn rightist Israeli visits to Al-Aqsa

Ma'an is a completely unreliable source of information.

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Unlike you, I'm actually familiar with what a fact is...

It's a fact that you post OPs using PMW, a virulently extremist anti-Arab/pro-settler source run by a bloke who is an Islamophobe who amongst other things contributed to a RW Islamophobic film. Got another source for that recent OP you posted that isn't an extremist pile of crap?

What's a fact is that when yr looking at articles from places where English isn't the first language, claiming that a story hasn't been reported in other sources is making an assumption that the only sources are English speaking ones. I know of plenty of stories from my part of the world that only appear in one source, yet I know for a fact they're true...

So, now that one's sorted out, is there any other reason apart from it being an Arab source that draws yr displeasure? Because given that you post from sources that not only lie constantly, but are bigoted, the reasons for holding Ma'an to some different standard are really vanishing...

[Mosby]

9. Look around DU, I post from all kinds of sources

including Arab media.

Ma'an sucks Violet, don't make this about me, they made their bed a long time ago.

[Violet_Crumble]

10. Yeah, including extremist anti-Arab/pro-settler ones...

I'm not making it about you, I'm making it about the double standards employed when it comes to yr dislike of Ma'an and the totally bullshit claim it's not a credible source. I'm not sure what thought process is happening when someone sees PMW as a credible source, but not Ma'an.

If you actually had anything factual and consistent to add to yr repeated claims, I'd consider them. But seeing you ignored me pointing out to you that it's a fact that the IDF have injured and killed Palestinian villagers before, it seems yr reasons for dismissing the Ma'an article are pretty flimsy.

So, which Arab sources do you think are credible? I'd be interested to know...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. What's even worse is that I was just exposed to ye old

"but the land is disputed" garbage that so many colonistas have used in the past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113456647#post10

When there is no suitable argument left then fall back on "the land is disputed" argument: which means "we really want to steal it and we have the guns to do it" argument.

[Violet_Crumble]

12. That doesn't come as any surprise...

The 'it's not occupied, it's disputed!!' is as stupid as someone having tried to argue that East Timor was disputed, not occupied because Indonesia insisted it had a claim to it

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Some will go to great lengths to attempt to candy-coat bullshit

and pretend that apartheid isn't apartheid or that the Nakba never happened...that 720k Palestinians just got up, took a walk and never came back.

And the same candy-coaters will turn a blind eye to David Ben Guirion's quote of that Israel couldn't have existed without the Nakba.

What's really the most factual in all this is the candy-coaters lack of honesty, integrity and lack of understanding that you can't just erase history is on display for all DUers to see.

They really are a shameless bunch.

[Mosby]

21. For the most part PMW just reports what others say

Specifically what comes out of the PA, Fatah, Hamas and the Palestinian media.

I try to take a nuanced approach to original content from various ideologically different websites. Some websites I don't use at all like Mondoweiss and WND. But others it just depends on the topic. Abunimah's website for example is hopelessly biased against Israel but he has done a good job bringing attention to the plight of the Palestinians in Lebanon. That is why I posted an article of his last week in the ME group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1253412

eta more quality reporting from Ma'an:

NABLUS (Ma'an) -- Wild boars on Sunday damaged farm land near Salfit, farmers said.

Farmers told Ma'an the boars damaged apricot trees, wheat crops and seedlings. They said the boars were released onto their land by settlers.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=494183

Yeah, Zionist pigs.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. So yr claiming that extremist and bigoted sources are credible?

That if they just publish someone claiming what someone else has supposedly said, that's just fine and they're not lacking in credibility? I'd seriously reconsider using PMW as a source for anything, especially if you want to turn around and get the hate on for a non-bigoted source like Ma'an.

I just checked the link. Nowhere in the article does it refer to Zionist pigs. Ma'an is every bit as credible a source as Ha'aretz, and all I've seen in the way of argument from you is that if you don't like what's being reported, you decide it's bullshit and bad reporting..

[azurnoir]

14. yes in fact you do Gatestone Institute an OP by extreme RWer Anne Bayefsky..........

just to name a couple

[King_David]

19. Google translate does a fabulous job of finding

Sources where English is not the 1st language...

IF they exist , that is...

[Violet_Crumble]

33. If you've discovered the joys of Google, you'd see that protesters have been injured and killed...

If you didn't notice, I'm happy to supply a long list of links to incidents in Kafr Qaddam. When there's a long history of something happening, someone popping up and making out another incident didn't happen reeks of desperation. What would make you happy, Dave? That the NYPost, a RW source that you've used here before and think is a credible source carries it on their front page?

[azurnoir]

15. so there are no excavations in Silwan? no Israeli rightists visit Al-Aqsa?

show proof of your claims please

[Jefferson23]

22. Why do think that is so? Are you aware of who has financed the project?

Which Palestinians have been allowed to actually to view the area where the
digging takes place? You aware of the Elad association?


Your reply's about Maan in and of itself are meant to prove what? Based on a wild boar story
Maan is to be dismissed..hmm.

I can take the time and find for you what an Israeli judge found to be lacking in credibility
for palwatch and their alleged expert..should I do that?


Completely unreliable...yea, sure.

snip* The Elad association has been operating in East Jerusalem for about 20 years. It has acquired and received many properties belonging to Palestinians in Kfar Silwan, adjacent to the Old City, and manages the national park in the City of David on behalf of the state.

In recent years, the association has invested many millions to finance the archaeological excavations undertaken by the Antiquities Authority in Silwan. Palestinians in Silwan contend that Elad has "taken over" substantial sections of the village.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-evicted-from-east-jerusalem-home-claimed-by-israelis-1.326295

[King_David]

18. He was answering the stupid usual hateful commentary at the bottom if the OP

Something about -The apartheid picnic and then asking if DUrs "were happy about it"

It deserved the contemptful flippant reply that the OP received .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. Well, the USA funds Israel with taxpayer $$, and by silent edict takes part in these abomonations.

So, dave, are you happy the the USA funds Israel?

[Violet_Crumble]

31. There's nothing hateful about pointing out that there is apartheid in the West Bank...

Though to be precise, it's an apartheid-style system that's run in the West Bank where Israelis live under different Israeli rules and law than Palestinians, who live under military law.

The word 'apartheid' offends you, but you don't find someone saying something bigoted about Palestinians and being happy about the US funding Israel injuring and killing Palestinian civilians to be hateful, just merely 'conptemptful flippant'? Why don't you find it hateful and speak out against it instead of trying to defend the person who said it?

[dlwickham]

20. you want to talk about extrememists?

how about Palestinian suicide bombers who go on buses

how about the terrorists who launch bombs at schools trying to kill Israeli children

but that's all okay because the Israelis deserve it, right?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. "you want to talk about extrememists?"

Well, we could just read your posts: thinking it alright that children and others are hurt in an IDF raid while protesting within their own village.

[azurnoir]

25. and the 1400 Palestinian children that Israel has killed in the past 14 years?

oh wait that only averages out to 100 a year





extreme on my part but as for the poster to who it's addressed???????

[Violet_Crumble]

30. No, I was talking to someone who posted extremist poison...

That would be you with yr post saying yr happy that the US funds Israel so it can injure Palestinian civilians and then finishing it up with the bigoted claim that Palestinians don't care about their children...

Bringing up actions of extremists in an attempt to deflect from the extremist views you expressed, and then pretending that I think that's okay is just so fucking lame. If I find extremist views that express bigotry revolting, of course I find the injury and killing of civilians appalling. But unlike you, I hold that view consistently and don't excuse it depending on whether it's an Israeli or Palestinian who's the victim...

[dlwickham]

39. why should I give a crap about someone's kids if they don't

the people in this town have been throwing their little protests for weeks now

they knew that the IDF would be there and if attacked, they're going to fire on the attackers

a reasonable person wouldn't put their kids in harm's way if they knew something was likely to happen

[Violet_Crumble]

40. Yr the only one throwing round that particular bigoted meme...

What bit of this isn't sinking in? The village was raided by the IDF. The IDF attacked the villagers, not the other way round. The IDF has injured children and adults in their own homes. What the fuck do you want them to do to show you they care about their kids? Pack them all up and move to Jordan?

I bet you don't hold the same nasty and ugly views about Israeli settlers who have their children living in the settlements.

Saying that Palestinians don't care about their children is revolting and a nasty and untrue stereotype. Which is why I find yr posts and attitude in this thread disgusting and not something I'd expect to see on a liberal forum...

[dlwickham]

45. maybe they should quit their protests

if you put your children in harm's way, then you don't care about them

I'd think that most parents wouldn't do that to their kids but then again, we've seen that Palestinian terrorist hold little regard for life

I don't think it's cultural by any stretch but one has to wonder

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. I'm sure that was the sentiment during...and still going on with

the civil rights movement, equal rights movement, the LGBT movement.

You do know which side you are taking with this argument, right?

It's not an argument based on Democratic Ideals.

[bravenak]

26. So it's cool to fire tear gas at people's houses if they're Palestinian people?

So people can't congregate together in their own villiage because of what reason exactly??

What gives you the right to make a judgement about a whole race of people and say that they don't care about their children? So, out of the millions of Palestinians in Palestine and around the world, none of ' these people' care about their children?? How kind of you to say of a family whose infant daughter was just injured. So kind.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

37. Kick for your post. I want more DUers to see this kind of overt bigotry.

[King_David]

17. "-The apartheid picnic"

How ignorant. Apartheid was no picnic.

Your constant reminds me of Aaron Baraks ruling on the Jewish state .



A mind meld ....

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. You're out of your depth dave.

Sarcasm and wit are easily lost on those with little imagination.

[bravenak]

27. It's not funny.

You laugh at inappropriate times, your majesty.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. No kidding.

Heavy lays the crown on the

[GeoWilliam750]

34. Just a quick question to understand your position

From reading your posts, you are very clearly a tireless supporter of Israel.

Whilst you give the impression of being Australian (perhaps I have misunderstood), I was wondering whether you have actually lived in Israel for more than a few weeks, either in the recognised borders or in the settlements.

[King_David]

35. I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. It doesn't appear to have helped you at all.