Peace plan would allow 75 percent of Jewish settlers to remain in West Bank, envoy says

[Jefferson23]

** Martin Indyk, another neutral friend of the Palestinians.

By Anne Gearan, Published: January 30 E-mail the writer

Roughly three-quarters of Jewish settlers in the West Bank would be included in redrawn Israeli borders envisioned under U.S.-backed peace negotiations, the lead U.S. envoy told American Jewish leaders on Thursday.

The settlement estimate was among details of a closely held plan to frame a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians this year, a participant in the conversation between Jewish leaders and U.S. envoy Martin Indyk said.

The participant and another person familiar with the conversation spoke on the condition of anonymity because neither the Israeli nor Palestinian leaders have yet agreed to the U.S. proposals for final talks.

Indyk also told the group that a final peace treaty could provide for compensation to Jews forced out of Arab countries after the founding of Israel in 1948. That would give descendants of those refugees living in Israel a potential financial stake in a deal long assumed to also provide compensation for Arabs who left land in what is now Israel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/peace-plan-would-allow-75-percent-of-jewish-settlers-to-remain-in-west-bank-envoy-says/2014/01/30/d13cb4e0-89f7-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html

[Jefferson23]

1. Indyk: Framework deal to include compensation for Arabs, Jewish refugees

US peace mediator Indyk spill beans on US-led framework agreement, saying deal to include mutual recognition, security arraignments, Israeli sovereignty for roughly 75% of settlers and compensation for both Jews and Arab refuges from 1948

Yitzhak Benhorin and Itamar Eichner
Published: 01.31.14, 09:04 / Israel News

The US Mideast peace envoy adumbrated the framework agreement being negotiated before US Jewish leaders Thursday, and said that a solid majority of settlers will remain under Israeli sovereignty.

Martin Indyk told a conference of Jewish organizations that the framework agreement between Israelis and Palestinians will include compensation for Palestinian refugees, and will also reference the right to compensation for Jews who were forced to flee Arab countries on the eve of Israel's formation.

Indyk noted that roughly 75%-85% of Jewish settlers will be allowed to remain in their West Bank homes as part of land swaps between Israel and the Palestinians, which will be based on the June 4, 1967 Green-Line.

Indyk denied stating any specific numbers in regards to ongoing negotiations when asked by Yedioth Aharonoth.

Acording to those present, Indyk added that the question of whether settlers will be allowed to remain under Palestinian sovereignty will be postponed until a final status – as opposed to framework – agreement. According to Indyk, the Palestinian leadership has no intention of forming a Palestinian state "clean of Jews".

The framework deal will be presented by the Americans in the coming weeks, and will also reportedly include recognition of “Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people and Palestine as the nation state of the Palestinian people."

The deal will also include security arrangements that will govern the formation of a buffer-zone between Jordan and the West Bank with new fences, sensors and remote piloted vehicles, which will be footed by the US as part of their donation to enforcing the peace deal.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4483232,00.html

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. So under the US plan the illegal Israelis stay in the West Bank?

And when they start to provoke...wait strike that...continue to provoke the Palestinians by tearing at their existence how long before the IDF come to their rescue: making this peace plan a farce?

[King_David]

3. So you think people should be forced to move?

Ethnic cleansing type of plan?

[Jefferson23]

4. Forced to move out of land that was not theirs to claim, period.

...the principles of the prohibition of the threat or use of force and the illegality of any territorial acquisition by such means, as reflected in customary international law.

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6

[King_David]

5. It only applies to the Jews or other ethnicities too ?

Were the Russians in Latvia forcibly removed back to Russia?

[Jefferson23]

6. One trick pony, eh? You believe the ICJ was referring to Jews? I believe they were

referring to just what they said about force/war to claim territory...it is illegal, period.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Israelis. Israelis. Not Jews. Stop with the baiting.

It's telling how you use the term Russian...Latvian...but not Israeli.

[King_David]

9. Well the only Latvians forced to leave were the Jews,

The circle of history.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. "forcibly removed back..."

You really are getting sloppy.

Yes, , the illegal Israelis should be sent back to Israel. I don't give a crap about the bad US-backed plan...if it is their plan.

[King_David]

14. Well it's not up to YOU

YOUR opinion will mean nothing in this equation .

Whoever the people living there will have some hard choices to make.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Okay, King.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. IF that is your rational for your current argument then I guess that

you support ROR for the Palestinians as well?

[King_David]

10. Return to where?

The vast majority were born in other lands.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. You're argument is springing a leak.

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How many present day Israelis were born in the West Bank? Do the ones who were born there stay and all others leave?

That's were you argument is leading, but realy it's not.

As usual you didn't think it through, and now are caught.


If they all demand to stay then all the Palestinians and their descendants, forced out durig the Nakba, have a equal right of return.

So, IYHO, do all the Israeli emigres to the west bank leave minus the ones born there.


The thing is, , that they consider themselves Israelis.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. So what? The vast majority are victms of the Nakba.

[sabbat hunter]

17. according to benny morris

about 1/3rd of Palestinians were forced out by Israeli troops, 1/3rd fled on their own, and 1/3rd fled at the behest of local Arab commanders.
Do they all have the RoR?

Since allowing all the Palestinians currently considered refugees back to Israel, would effectively destroy Israel, do you support a single Palestinian state?




What really needs to be done is let a nominal amount back (A few thousand at most), rest will be compensated monetarily by Israel (even though Israeli troops did not force them all out). At the same time any Jews forced out of arab countries during the period 1947-1967 would be compensated by the arab countries.

The total amount of compensation to be determined at negotiations between Israel and the PA (as the PA is the designated representative of all the Palestinian people they have the right to do this negotiation). Otherwise you would be expecting Israel to negotiate individually with million of people, which is ridiculous and nearly impossible.

[Mosby]

16. thats been the working plan since 2000.

Land swaps are a necessity at this point.