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Related: About this forumFour bullets to the back of the head
http://972mag.com/four-bullets-to-the-back-of-the-head/86638/On January 20, 2011, Jalal Mahmoud Masri left his house in East Jerusalem and went to visit relatives in the village of Idna. Masri, a father of two and a truck driver, did not know that this was to be his last ride. Fate put Sharpshooter Avi in his path.
Avi and three of his friends had erected an emergency checkpoint after a white Peugeot 205 ignored a checkpoint near the Gush Etzion Junction. Avi, a sharpshooter, was in a nearby tower. Masri noticed the impromptu checkpoint made of soldiers waving flashlights and slowed down after seeing the first flashlight. As soon as he had passed the checkpoint, he suddenly accelerated. According to most of the testimonies, the commanding officer at the checkpoint fired three rounds into the air. Immediately afterwards, Avi fired four rounds at Masris head. He collapsed, mortally wounded, and died months later in hospital.
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Sharpshooter Avis version, of course, is different. Its relationship to reality, however, is tenuous. He claims to have fired four bullets, the first one in the air but the trackers found four hits in the vehicle. He claims to have been the first to fire but the rest of the soldiers present testified that the first shooter was the checkpoint commander, who fired in the air. He claims that the soldiers were at risk of being run over; the others deny it. He claims that he fired at the wheels but no wheel was hit, and all of the bullet holes are in the upper-left part of the vehicle. From which, we can conclude as the trackers immediately did that Avi fired at the back of Masris neck. Avi further claims that there were gunshots coming from the vehicle. Politely put, this is a hallucination. If we are to be cruel and accurate, this is an attempt by a killer to cover up the killing.
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Avi claims? No, he claimed. This was a long time ago. Avi said the above to MPCID (Military Police Criminal Investigative Department) interrogators in March 2011, two months after the killing. On March 17, 2011, the Operational Affairs Prosecution demanded that the case be wrapped up and the case file was sent to them. On July 2012 we learned that this simple case was transferred to the MPCID for further investigation. It was closed on October 9, 2013; that is two years and nine months after the incident, based on the military prosecutions recommendation that it be closed for lack of evidence.
Nothing to see. Move along. Just another dead Palestinian cut down by the apartheid picnic.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Oh, BTW, a is through with me. Even tole me so.
What fucking comedy.
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)the very biased reporting from 972 to see what facts we can really pull.
1) there was an emergency check point put up in the occupied territories, after a white peugeot 205 ignored a checkpoint earlier in the day
2) Masri after seeing the checkpoint, slowed down, then suddenly accelerated after passing the check point
3) his vehicle was fired upon, and at least one shot, possibly 4, were fired by Avi on to Masri, killing him.
4) Avi claims there were shots fired from the vehicle, (972 uses its biased opinion at this point to say that this is a lie, but has no proof one way or another to show that there were no shots fired)
5) after a long investigation, two years and 9 months, the case was closed for lack of evidence
Where is the proof 972 that something was done wrong by Avi?
Israel should not be in the WB, should pull out unilaterally if need be from all of it, with the exception of the old city, ASAP.
However, by international law, as an occupying power, Israel has a right and in fact a responsibility, to have check points set up to protect its soldiers. This falls under section 3 acts 42 and 43 of the Hague convention of 1907.
International law also allows the occupying power to fire upon people, vehicles if they feel like they are in danger.
I do not know if Avi acted correctly or not, I do not have enough evidence, just the typical biased reporting of 972 to go on.
If all I had to go on was the 972 story, I would have to do what the MPCID did, and close the case for lack of evidence (which is to say there is none.)
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)IDF trackers scanned the scene immediately afterward. This is the conclusion of the senior tracker, Sgt.-Maj. Salah:
We found four hits to the upper part of the back window. Two bullets hit the driver-side window and one hit the front window, the fourth bullet also hit in that area. All of them were aimed at the head of the driver ... the guy in the tower shot him, aimed to hit him. This isnt accidental firing. You dont aim for the head for no reason. The reason he fired, though, I dont know.
The two other trackers also reached the conclusion that the shooting was aimed at Masris head. Its important to note that when they reached the scene, Masri had already been evacuated. They did not see him and did not know he had suffered a head wound. They based their findings on the location of the bullets in the vehicle alone.
A police forensic investigator found the following: the back window of the vehicle is broken; there is a hole in the triangular window of the back left door; the left back-door window is broken; the front window has two holes which could be consistent with bullet passage hits; there are other hits to the front window.
There is an admission that the soldiers' lives were not in danger. The most that can be said is that the deceased accelerated *after* proceeding through the checkpoint, which is of course vastly different from trying to storm through the checkpoint.
Its possibly worth noting that "Salah" is Arab, presumably Bedouin. Perhaps that is of relevance.
Israeli
(4,141 posts)...actually sabbat hunter all 972 have done is relayed from Yesh Din.
Is " biased " a code for calling us liars ?
I ask only because you and your compatriots on here have already called Shulamit Aloni a liar on numerous occasions .
Yesh Din Public Council :
Members include prominent former Israeli government officials and retired high-ranking generals of the Israel Defence Force (IDF):
Shulamit Aloni - former Israeli minister of education and culture, minister of communications, minister of science and arts
Shlomo Lahat, General (Ret.) - former mayor of Tel Aviv-Jaffa
Michael Ben Yair - lawyer, former attorney general of the State of Israel.
Shlomo Gazit, General (Ret.) - former head of Military Intelligence
Paul Kedar, Colonel (Ret.) - former Israeli consul in New York; head of Ministry of Defense delegation to Europe; IDF attaché to Turkey. Member of Beyt Hatfusot founders; director of Shlomi's Community Center.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Din
You have something to say about Yesh Din.... feel free ... but leave 972 out of it .
Biased ?
You bet we are biased .....biased against the occupation and for human rights .
http://www.yesh-din.org/geninfo.asp?gencatid=1
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)"unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something."
yes 972 is biased against Israel and anything it does, even if it did things right under international law as an occupying power.
Should Israel be occupying the WB? No. It should pull out of all of the WB, with the exception of the old city of Jerusalem, and the sooner the better. And do so unilaterally if need be.
and who exactly are my compatriots?
Israeli
(4,141 posts)written by Left wing Israelis (and some guests )....it is not " biased " against our own country .....maybe you are the one that is " biased " ?
We actually think it should pull out of the the old city of Jerusalem to .
Your compatriots : ....
NGO Monitor criticized +972 as being antisemitic "because it seeks to strip the Jewish state of its legitimacy" by using the apartheid analogy regarding Israel.[4]
CEO Noam Sheizaf answered: "The attack on +972 is being carried out in the standard way NGO Monitor, Im Tirzu and similar organizations work these days: Not by debating the content of our reports and commentary pieces, but by trying to delegitimize and silence us". In February 2012 Sheizaf said "Jewish American liberals are not on our side. [Most Americans] will only support my liberalism to a certain degree. When I fight for the right of an Arab woman to become a doctor, you will stand by and donate to the New Israel Fund. But if I say 'Jerusalem is an apartheid city,' which it isJerusalem is the worst place in the world in terms of citizenship lawsAmerican liberals get goosebumps."[3]
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2B972_Magazine
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Thanks you for standing up.