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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:18 PM Feb 2014

Israel repeatedly forbids call to prayer because it 'annoys' settlers


Israeli forces forbade the Islamic call for prayer at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron 49 times in the month of January because it "annoyed" Jewish settlers, according to an official from the Palestinian Authority ministry of endowments.

Director of the Hebron office of the ministry of endowments Sheikh Taysir Abu Sneinah said that Israeli forces in the old city of the occupied southern West Bank city have repeatedly banned the mosque from broadcasting the call to prayer.

The pretext, he said, was that the sound of the Islamic call to prayer annoys Israeli settlers performing Jewish rites in the part of the mosque known as the Tomb of the Patriarchs that has been take over by Israeli forces.

Abu Sneinah denounced what he called "abusive Israeli practices" against Palestinian places of worship.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=670097
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Israel repeatedly forbids call to prayer because it 'annoys' settlers (Original Post) azurnoir Feb 2014 OP
Under my thumb.......... Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #1
That particular site has more game-related problems. Igel Feb 2014 #2
Both groups are petty? Which group has the IDF at their back? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #3
Tough shit sabbat hunter Feb 2014 #4
Cairo dilemma over prayer calls King_David Feb 2014 #6
“Call to prayer forbidden nowadays in uzbekistan ?” King_David Feb 2014 #5
the question to Trip advisor was answered and it's no they are NOT forbidden azurnoir Feb 2014 #7
The Ottomans banned church bells in Jerusalem... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #8
Freedom against religion? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #9

Igel

(35,300 posts)
2. That particular site has more game-related problems.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:45 PM
Feb 2014

Both groups are petty, narrow-minded fools, out to annoy and harrass the other at least as much as to satisfy their own religious needs and obligations.

The entire Hebron situation is like that.

It had a Jewish community with continuity going back to antiquity. Then there was an anti-Jewish pogrom in the years running up to WWII, and what small number of Jews trickled back in the years just before WWII were fully dispossessed by the Jordanians.

When the Jews moved back in after '67, they reciprocated. Forcibly evicted, humiliated, they learned their lessons and believed that turnabout was fair play. And, yes, they were led by elderly Jews that had been evicted from Hebron.

Since then it's continued, with cheap shots exchanged--sometimes verbal, sometimes with Pb alloys.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. Both groups are petty? Which group has the IDF at their back?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:59 PM
Feb 2014

Hebron City Center
Published:
1 Jan 2011

Over the years, Israel established a number of settlement points in and around the Old City of Hebron which had traditionally served as the commercial center for the entire southern West Bank . Israeli law-enforcement authorities and security forces have made the entire Palestinian population suffer in the process of protecting Israeli settlement in the city. The authorities impose a regime intentionally and openly based on the "separation principle", the result of which is legal and physical segregation between the Israeli settlers and the Palestinian majority.

This policy led to the economic collapse of the center of Hebron and drove many Palestinians out of the area. The findings of a survey conducted by B'Tslem in November-December 2006 show that at least 1,014 Palestinian housing units in the center of Hebron have been vacated by their occupants. This number represents 41.9 percent of the housing units in the relevant area. Sixty-five percent (659) of the empty apartments became vacant during the course of the second intifada. Regarding Palestinian commercial establishments, 1,829 are no longer open for business. This number represents 76.6 percent of all the commercial establishments in the surveyed area. Of the closed businesses, 62.4 percent (1,141) were closed during the second intifada. At least 440 of them closed pursuant to military orders.

The main elements of Israel 's separation policy are the severe and extensive restrictions on Palestinian movement and the authorities' systematic failure to enforce law and order on violent settlers attacking Palestinians. The city's Palestinian residents also suffer as a direct result of the actions of Israel 's security forces.


Restriction on Palestinian movement and the closing of businesses

During the first three years of the intifada, the army imposed a round-the-clock curfew on the Palestinians in the city center of Hebron for more than 377 days total, including a consecutive period of 182 days, with short breaks to obtain provisions.

In addition, the military created a contiguous strip of land in the City Center along which the movement of Palestinian vehicles is forbidden. The one exception to the rule is the 2009 military decision that granted passage on ‘Othman bin-‘Afan St. (Zion Route) to vehicles owned by the street’s residents who hold individual permits. The middle of the strip contains many sections of road that the military forbids even Palestinian pedestrians to use. The strip blocks the main north-south traffic artery in the city, and therefore affects the entire city. View Map.

The extensive prohibitions have led to the closing of hundreds of shops, in addition to those that were closed under army order.


Failure to protect Palestinians from settler violence

Over the years, settlers in the city have routinely abused the city's Palestinian residents, sometimes using extreme violence. Throughout the second intifada, settlers have committed physical assaults, including beatings, at times with clubs, stone throwing, and hurling of refuse, sand, water, chlorine, and empty bottles. Settlers have destroyed shops and doors, committed thefts, and chopped down fruit trees. Settlers have also been involved in gunfire, attempts to run people over, poisoning of a water well, breaking into homes, spilling of hot liquid on the face of a Palestinian, and the killing of a young Palestinian girl.

Soldiers are generally positioned on every street corner in and near the settlement points, but in most cases they do nothing to protect Palestinians from the settlers' attacks. The police also fail to properly enforce the law and rarely bring the assailants to justice. By failing to respond appropriately to settler violence in Hebron, the authorities in effect sanction the settlers' violent acts. These acts, in addition to being severe, have also contributed to the "quiet transfer" of thousands of Palestinians from the City Center .

Harm to Palestinian residents by soldiers and police officers

The increased presence of soldiers and police in the Hebron city center brings with it violence, excessive and unjustified use of force, and abuse of the powers granted them by law. Violence, arbitrary house searches, seizure of houses, harassment, detaining passersby, and humiliating treatment have become part of daily reality for Palestinians and have led many of them to move to safer places. In some cases, not even the defense establishment tries to defend the security forces' conduct; however, apparently, not enough has been done to uproot these practices.

* * *

Israel 's policy severely impacts thousands of Palestinians by violating the right to life, liberty, personal safety, freedom of movement, health, and property, among other rights. This policy breaches Israel 's obligations under international humanitarian law, international human rights law, and Israeli administrative and constitutional law.

http://www.btselem.org/hebron

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
4. Tough shit
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:12 PM
Feb 2014

if it annoys settlers. It is part of the Islamic religion, and it is their right to do the calls.

Israel is absolutely wrong to forbid the calls for prayer.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. the question to Trip advisor was answered and it's no they are NOT forbidden
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

Call to prayer forbidden nowadays in uzbekistan ?
Apr 14, 2012, 6:18 PM

Hi, Does anyone know if its not allow to call to prayer in uzbekistan nowadays? I find these prayers always so charming and part of the journey. i d reconsider my destination as the country would be less lively.

Please advise,

Thanks,

Aernout

From holland

1. Re: Call to prayer forbidden nowadays in uzbekistan ?
Dec 04, 2012, 7:15 AM

I have not heard of the call to prayer being banned but I do not recall hearing it as often as in Muslim countries like Turkey or Malaysia. I recall hearing it in the Chorsu neighborhood of Tashkent in October 2010 and I think I heard it in Bukhara and Khiva, but I confess I did not concentrate on it.

And I agree with you it is a beautiful sound! I preferred the call to prayer from Turkey more than Malaysia but YMMV.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
8. The Ottomans banned church bells in Jerusalem...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 08:39 AM
Feb 2014

even now, in the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem, the priests announce services by banging on a piece of wood rather than ringing bells.

They also banned the shofar, incidentally.

To be fair, there are other Western countries that have restricted the ability of Muslims to make the call to prayer. I know some mosques here in Australia have had to refrain from the call to prayer as a condition of obtaining a building permit. I think something similar has also happened in Switzerland.

Still, it does seem fairly hypocritical on Israel's part, particularly when they criticise any foreign government that infringes upon the ability of Jews to practice their religion (eg relating to circumcision, or kosher slaughter).

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
9. Freedom against religion?
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:11 PM
Feb 2014


the sound of the Islamic call to prayer annoys Israeli settlers performing Jewish rites



That's it in a nutshell.

Perhaps if they don't like it then they should move back inside Israel's borders.

Do the illegal Israeli settlers annoy the Palestinians every time they destroy their olive groves or attack them?
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