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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:37 AM Mar 2014

Clashes in Aqsa compound as right-wing MKs tour courtyards

JERUSALEM (Ma'an) -- Clashes broke out Thursday between Palestinian worshipers and Israeli forces in the al-Aqsa compound following a visit by a right-wing Israeli MK, locals said.

Witnesses told Ma'an that Likud MK Moshe Feiglin and a number of other right-wing politicians entered the mosque compound via the Moroccan Gate and toured the courtyards.

Worshipers shouted "Allah Akbar" at the group before Israeli forces raided the compound and began assaulting them with clubs.

In response, young Palestinians began throwing stones at the Knesset members, forcing them to leave the compound.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=683126

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Clashes in Aqsa compound as right-wing MKs tour courtyards (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2014 OP
why are they being allowed sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #1
Could be, hadn't thought of that. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #3
Why should they not be allowed henank Mar 2014 #4
so Moshe Feiglin was there innocently? azurnoir Mar 2014 #5
Video shows he was. shira Mar 2014 #7
because he went to sabbat hunter Mar 2014 #28
supposedly the Rightists were there in solidarity with Yehuda Glick azurnoir Mar 2014 #2
Looks like bullshit from wafa... shira Mar 2014 #6
The video is in Hebrew, which I do not speak n/t azurnoir Mar 2014 #8
Does it look like Feiglin broke in, stormed, raided, or invaded the Temple Mount? shira Mar 2014 #9
what WAFA pulished concerned what he said not what he did while saying it azurnoir Mar 2014 #10
It says he broke in and insulted worshippers. He didn't, and if they're worshippers.... shira Mar 2014 #11
yeah broke in under the protection of the police yupper sounds like a violent break in to me azurnoir Mar 2014 #12
just quoting your "reputable" source. sorry it was caught on tape. n/t shira Mar 2014 #13
so no Palestinian sources are reputable according to you azurnoir Mar 2014 #14
Are they allowed to REALLY criticize Abbas, Hamas...? Nope? Well there you go.... shira Mar 2014 #15
really grasping aren't you? azurnoir Mar 2014 #16
LOL. Now you're redefining what breaking in means, to defend your source. n/t shira Mar 2014 #17
thanks for sharing with us that no Palestinian publication is reputable in your opinion azurnoir Mar 2014 #18
Name one that's more moderate and less racist than Arutz Sheva. I'll wait. n/t shira Mar 2014 #19
You are so confused, you make a statement like that it is YOU that needs Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #21
Maan is certainly not more moderate or less racist than Arutz Sheva... shira Mar 2014 #23
Doesn't work that way..post your evidence..not your mere opinion. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #25
Arutz Sheva doesn't post anti-Arab/Muslim filth like Maan, or bogus stories. shira Mar 2014 #26
Only according to you and Itamar Palwatch Marcus. Judge found him not credible. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #27
No Ma'an has no hoax that your Palwatch has debunked that would be false. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #29
I said the presence of these third temple extremists was by it's very nature a breakin azurnoir Mar 2014 #20
ROTFLOL! n/t shira Mar 2014 #22
got nuthin' again I take it azurnoir Mar 2014 #24

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
1. why are they being allowed
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:30 PM
Mar 2014

to do this. We just saw this happen a couple of days ago with the housing minister. Now more MK are going up to the Temple mount?

Feiglin should be removed from his position as deputy speaker of Knesset immediately by Bibi.

I think that Feiglin, in addition to trying to provoke the Muslim worshipers, is doing this as a play for power. He ran against Bibi for Likud party leadership in 2012. I believe that this is the first shot in him trying to topple Bibi.

henank

(800 posts)
4. Why should they not be allowed
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:59 PM
Mar 2014

to go up to the Temple Mount? Ever hear of freedom of religion or freedom of worship? Why are Jews not allowed to go up freely to pray there? Why does this bother the Muslims so much that they attack the Jews who do go up?

The MKs are not trying to provoke anyone. They are expressing their demand for freedom of worship, and by doing so they are proving a point - that the Muslims are incapable of allowing this.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. so Moshe Feiglin was there innocently?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:28 PM
Mar 2014

Here from WAFA

According to witnesses, Feiglin insulted worshipers, using racist expressions, which led to clashes and the arrest of several Palestinian worshipers.

http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=24645

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
28. because he went to
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:35 PM
Mar 2014

deliberately provoke the Muslim worshipers.

The Temple Mount falls under the religious control of the PA Muslim appointee.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. supposedly the Rightists were there in solidarity with Yehuda Glick
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:41 PM
Mar 2014

a 'radical' Rabbi who had been banned from al Aqsa for 10 days

Israeli extremist settlers, led by the right-wing MK Moshe Feiglin, broke into the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound via the Moroccan Gate under the protection of Israeli police special units.

Among the group who entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque were extremist Jewish settlers in solidarity with the radical Rabbi, Yehuda Glick, who had been banned by Israeli police from entering the mosque for a ten-day period for not “committing to the terms of visits to the mosque”.

According to witnesses, Feiglin insulted worshipers, using racist expressions, which led to clashes and the arrest of several Palestinian worshipers.

http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=24645

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Looks like bullshit from wafa...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:41 PM
Mar 2014
Arab rioters hurl stones at MK Feiglin on Temple Mount
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Arab-rioters-hurl-stones-at-MK-Feiglin-on-Temple-Mount-345954

Nothing about Feiglin being insulting or racist.

And it's on video, from the JPost article...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. Does it look like Feiglin broke in, stormed, raided, or invaded the Temple Mount?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014

And if there were "worshippers" who confronted Feiglin, why weren't they inside worshiping?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. what WAFA pulished concerned what he said not what he did while saying it
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:33 PM
Mar 2014

in fact WAFA said nothing about him storming or invading or raiding it said he made racist comments and insults

however gee thanks so Palestinian publications are BS according to you-no surprises there

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. It says he broke in and insulted worshippers. He didn't, and if they're worshippers....
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:41 PM
Mar 2014

...then they should've been worshipping.

Palestinian publications are all extreme, like Arutz Sheva - but even more racist and less reputable.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. so no Palestinian sources are reputable according to you
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

and yes it was caught on tape Feiglin was under protection of Israeli police just as WAFA said

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Are they allowed to REALLY criticize Abbas, Hamas...? Nope? Well there you go....
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014

They've gotta take it out on someone they can blame, like the elders of zion.

Wafa said they broke in. Wafa also claims Feiglin insulted worshippers. Both lies.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. really grasping aren't you?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:27 PM
Mar 2014

you can not prove anything about what Feiglin said and as far as breaking in from a Palestinian POV the extreme Rightists presence would be a break in of sorts, actual break ins as you're attempting to claim do not happen under police guard

Yehuda Glick is one of heads of Machon HaMikdash the group who are trying to establish the third temple at the site of al Aqsa and Moshe

Feiglin is an extremist who advocates for the expulsion of all Palestinian from Israel and the West Bank even thoe who are Israeli citizens and who also advocates for the third temple quote from Feiglin-"“We have to internalize that this is our Land – exclusively.... Most important: We must expel the Moslem wakf from the Temple Mount and restore exclusive Israeli sovereignty over this most holy site."

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. thanks for sharing with us that no Palestinian publication is reputable in your opinion
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:35 PM
Mar 2014

you're leaning on the extremely literal and ignoring the character Feiglin who was involved and on that last bit it is no surprise

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. You are so confused, you make a statement like that it is YOU that needs
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:38 PM
Mar 2014

to back it up..not azurnoir.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
25. Doesn't work that way..post your evidence..not your mere opinion.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:41 PM
Mar 2014

You made the charge, back it up.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
26. Arutz Sheva doesn't post anti-Arab/Muslim filth like Maan, or bogus stories.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:43 PM
Mar 2014

Feel free to show otherwise.

Maan still contains on its website a VERY ugly antisemitic screed.

Not so for Arutz Sheva.

Maan still contains a HOAX on its website about 11 bullets to the feet of a soccer player.

Not so for Arutz Sheva.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
27. Only according to you and Itamar Palwatch Marcus. Judge found him not credible.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:18 PM
Mar 2014

That's your evidence, Arutz Sheva..does not....

Is that correct?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
29. No Ma'an has no hoax that your Palwatch has debunked that would be false.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:45 PM
Mar 2014

I wonder how Arutz Sheva ( pro settler ) would fare by the Israeli judge..she found no credible evidence
against Ma'an nor the other Palestinian publications brought by Marcus, the settler.

Your source, an OP Ed defending Pamela Geller:

Progressive Ideals are no Substitute for Jewish Values

Published: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:09 PM

There is an enormous gap between traditional Jewish values and many of the partisan sacred cows that have become articles of faith for progressive Jews and the nontraditional movements who castigate Israel and embrace her enemies.

Matthew M. Hausman is a trial attorney and writer who lives and works in Connecticut. A former journalist, Mr. Hausman continues to write on a variety of topics, including science, health and medicine, Jewish issues and foreign affairs, and has been a legal affairs columnist for a number of publications.

With all the real dangers facing Israel and the Jewish People today – from Islamist governments that preach jihad and genocide, to an Iranian regime on the cusp of nuclear capability, to BDS zealots who validate Arab-Muslim rejectionism – why are so many liberal Jews more worried about the supposed dangers of Christian Zionism or Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria?

Ironically, they condemn evangelical support while they countenance Arab, Muslim, and progressive groups that foster anti-Semitism and deny Israel’s right to exist. Though they proclaim great concern for Israel, they are quick to chastise her for building on land that was recognized as Jewish for thousands of years, to denounce as racists all who challenge the revisionist Palestinian narrative, to characterize any criticism of Muslims as Islamophobia, and to claim – incredibly – that their actions conform with Jewish values.

Nothing, however, could be further from the truth.

There is an enormous gap between traditional Jewish values and many of the partisan sacred cows that have become articles of faith for progressive Jews and the nontraditional movements. What is so confounding is their allegiance to political beliefs that are not simply at odds with traditional values, but often antithetical to Jewish continuity and survival.

Their affinity for Islamists masquerading as moderates, for advocates of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (“BDS”) movement, and for a Palestinian myth predicated on historical revisionism and doctrinal anti-Semitism is inconsistent with their claims of devotion for Israel and respect for Jewish mores.

Jews who support organizations that rationalize anti-Semitism, deny Jewish history, or falsely accuse Israel of apartheid, are in fact trampling Jewish values. There is no theological or philosophical imperative for Jews to dignify religious dogmas or political agendas that are absolutist and intolerant. Progressive Jews who justify dialogue with Islamists and Israel-bashers as being consistent with the spirit of Jewish self-reflection or tikkun olam understand neither concept and live in a fool’s paradise.

there is simply no way to reconcile genuine respect for tradition with empathy for those who denigrate Jews or seek Israel’s destruction. To claim otherwise would be analogous to justifying the appeasement of Nazism during World War II as a legitimate expression of American patriotism.

There is a stark contrast between progressive ideology and Jewish tradition despite the tedious claims of an identity of interests between the two. This is evident in the way many Reform and Conservative rabbis disparage Christian Zionists and traditional Jews who reject the two-state paradigm, but encourage political alliances with Muslim groups that have extremist roots or connections.

It is also apparent in their willingness to legitimize left-wing groups, such as J Street and the New Israel Fund, that claim to support Israel but actually endorse policies that threaten her continuity as a Jewish state.

In a recent blog, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President Emeritus of the Union for Reform Judaism (“URJ”), demonstrated his movement’s priorities when he excoriated the writer Pamela Geller, known for her counter-jihad activism, and urged that she be banned from speaking in American synagogues. “Pamela Geller has no place in an American synagogue,” he wrote, describing her as “a bigot and purveyor of hate.”

The offenses earning her this kind of enmity include her outspoken criticism of Muslim anti-Semitism, her mission to expose the Islamist connections of supposedly moderate groups such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (“CAIR”) and the Islamic Society of North America (“ISNA”), and her sponsorship of anti-jihad posters in the New York City subways.

Ms. Geller is abhorred by the Jewish left also because she challenges it for minimizing, ignoring or denying the pervasiveness of Muslim anti-Semitism. She confronts stealth jihad and Islamist dissimulation head-on and criticizes liberals who assist in facilitating both.

Rabbi Yoffie proposed that Ms. Geller be blackballed and that Peter Beinart and representatives of J Street instead be welcomed into American synagogues. This seems rather strange considering Beinart’s and J Street’s endorsement of policies that would appear to threaten Israeli security, but it fits the left’s pattern of deprecating those with whom it disagrees and branding them hate-mongers. Furthermore, it is consistent with Rabbi Yoffie’s pronouncement several years ago discouraging alliances with Christian Zionists.

Regarding the affinity of many evangelicals for Israel, Rabbi Yoffie wrote then that “[w]hat they mean by support of Israel and what we mean by support of Israel are two very different things.” This is a fair statement for someone who holds divergent views, but it begs the question of just what “support of Israel” has come to mean in liberal Jewish circles. Unfortunately, the answer does not always reflect well on the nontraditional movements.

For one thing, there seems to be growing acceptance of J Street, an organization with a clear pro-Palestinian bias and a penchant for: blaming Israel for the failure of Mideast peace; failing to acknowledge Arab-Muslim rejectionism; hosting speakers with anti-Israel records; and opposing pro-Israel interests in Congress.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/13632#.UyuYMVf535N

Your fake outrage over a letter to the editor to Ma'an is sad but marks an agenda against a Palestinian
publication of your intentions.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
20. I said the presence of these third temple extremists was by it's very nature a breakin
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

at least from a Palestinian POV under the guard of Israeli police no less

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