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Related: About this forumClashes in Aqsa compound as right-wing MKs tour courtyards
JERUSALEM (Ma'an) -- Clashes broke out Thursday between Palestinian worshipers and Israeli forces in the al-Aqsa compound following a visit by a right-wing Israeli MK, locals said.
Witnesses told Ma'an that Likud MK Moshe Feiglin and a number of other right-wing politicians entered the mosque compound via the Moroccan Gate and toured the courtyards.
Worshipers shouted "Allah Akbar" at the group before Israeli forces raided the compound and began assaulting them with clubs.
In response, young Palestinians began throwing stones at the Knesset members, forcing them to leave the compound.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=683126
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)to do this. We just saw this happen a couple of days ago with the housing minister. Now more MK are going up to the Temple mount?
Feiglin should be removed from his position as deputy speaker of Knesset immediately by Bibi.
I think that Feiglin, in addition to trying to provoke the Muslim worshipers, is doing this as a play for power. He ran against Bibi for Likud party leadership in 2012. I believe that this is the first shot in him trying to topple Bibi.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)henank
(800 posts)to go up to the Temple Mount? Ever hear of freedom of religion or freedom of worship? Why are Jews not allowed to go up freely to pray there? Why does this bother the Muslims so much that they attack the Jews who do go up?
The MKs are not trying to provoke anyone. They are expressing their demand for freedom of worship, and by doing so they are proving a point - that the Muslims are incapable of allowing this.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Here from WAFA
According to witnesses, Feiglin insulted worshipers, using racist expressions, which led to clashes and the arrest of several Palestinian worshipers.
http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=24645
shira
(30,109 posts)Kudos for using wafa instead of maan.
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)deliberately provoke the Muslim worshipers.
The Temple Mount falls under the religious control of the PA Muslim appointee.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)a 'radical' Rabbi who had been banned from al Aqsa for 10 days
Israeli extremist settlers, led by the right-wing MK Moshe Feiglin, broke into the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound via the Moroccan Gate under the protection of Israeli police special units.
Among the group who entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque were extremist Jewish settlers in solidarity with the radical Rabbi, Yehuda Glick, who had been banned by Israeli police from entering the mosque for a ten-day period for not committing to the terms of visits to the mosque.
According to witnesses, Feiglin insulted worshipers, using racist expressions, which led to clashes and the arrest of several Palestinian worshipers.
http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=24645
shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Arab-rioters-hurl-stones-at-MK-Feiglin-on-Temple-Mount-345954
Nothing about Feiglin being insulting or racist.
And it's on video, from the JPost article...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)And if there were "worshippers" who confronted Feiglin, why weren't they inside worshiping?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in fact WAFA said nothing about him storming or invading or raiding it said he made racist comments and insults
however gee thanks so Palestinian publications are BS according to you-no surprises there
shira
(30,109 posts)...then they should've been worshipping.
Palestinian publications are all extreme, like Arutz Sheva - but even more racist and less reputable.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and yes it was caught on tape Feiglin was under protection of Israeli police just as WAFA said
shira
(30,109 posts)They've gotta take it out on someone they can blame, like the elders of zion.
Wafa said they broke in. Wafa also claims Feiglin insulted worshippers. Both lies.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you can not prove anything about what Feiglin said and as far as breaking in from a Palestinian POV the extreme Rightists presence would be a break in of sorts, actual break ins as you're attempting to claim do not happen under police guard
Yehuda Glick is one of heads of Machon HaMikdash the group who are trying to establish the third temple at the site of al Aqsa and Moshe
Feiglin is an extremist who advocates for the expulsion of all Palestinian from Israel and the West Bank even thoe who are Israeli citizens and who also advocates for the third temple quote from Feiglin-"We have to internalize that this is our Land exclusively.... Most important: We must expel the Moslem wakf from the Temple Mount and restore exclusive Israeli sovereignty over this most holy site."
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you're leaning on the extremely literal and ignoring the character Feiglin who was involved and on that last bit it is no surprise
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to back it up..not azurnoir.
shira
(30,109 posts)So name one.
I'll wait.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)You made the charge, back it up.
shira
(30,109 posts)Feel free to show otherwise.
Maan still contains on its website a VERY ugly antisemitic screed.
Not so for Arutz Sheva.
Maan still contains a HOAX on its website about 11 bullets to the feet of a soccer player.
Not so for Arutz Sheva.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)That's your evidence, Arutz Sheva..does not....
Is that correct?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I wonder how Arutz Sheva ( pro settler ) would fare by the Israeli judge..she found no credible evidence
against Ma'an nor the other Palestinian publications brought by Marcus, the settler.
Your source, an OP Ed defending Pamela Geller:
Progressive Ideals are no Substitute for Jewish Values
Published: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:09 PM
There is an enormous gap between traditional Jewish values and many of the partisan sacred cows that have become articles of faith for progressive Jews and the nontraditional movements who castigate Israel and embrace her enemies.
Matthew M. Hausman is a trial attorney and writer who lives and works in Connecticut. A former journalist, Mr. Hausman continues to write on a variety of topics, including science, health and medicine, Jewish issues and foreign affairs, and has been a legal affairs columnist for a number of publications.
With all the real dangers facing Israel and the Jewish People today from Islamist governments that preach jihad and genocide, to an Iranian regime on the cusp of nuclear capability, to BDS zealots who validate Arab-Muslim rejectionism why are so many liberal Jews more worried about the supposed dangers of Christian Zionism or Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria?
Ironically, they condemn evangelical support while they countenance Arab, Muslim, and progressive groups that foster anti-Semitism and deny Israels right to exist. Though they proclaim great concern for Israel, they are quick to chastise her for building on land that was recognized as Jewish for thousands of years, to denounce as racists all who challenge the revisionist Palestinian narrative, to characterize any criticism of Muslims as Islamophobia, and to claim incredibly that their actions conform with Jewish values.
Nothing, however, could be further from the truth.
There is an enormous gap between traditional Jewish values and many of the partisan sacred cows that have become articles of faith for progressive Jews and the nontraditional movements. What is so confounding is their allegiance to political beliefs that are not simply at odds with traditional values, but often antithetical to Jewish continuity and survival.
Their affinity for Islamists masquerading as moderates, for advocates of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, and for a Palestinian myth predicated on historical revisionism and doctrinal anti-Semitism is inconsistent with their claims of devotion for Israel and respect for Jewish mores.
Jews who support organizations that rationalize anti-Semitism, deny Jewish history, or falsely accuse Israel of apartheid, are in fact trampling Jewish values. There is no theological or philosophical imperative for Jews to dignify religious dogmas or political agendas that are absolutist and intolerant. Progressive Jews who justify dialogue with Islamists and Israel-bashers as being consistent with the spirit of Jewish self-reflection or tikkun olam understand neither concept and live in a fools paradise.
there is simply no way to reconcile genuine respect for tradition with empathy for those who denigrate Jews or seek Israels destruction. To claim otherwise would be analogous to justifying the appeasement of Nazism during World War II as a legitimate expression of American patriotism.
There is a stark contrast between progressive ideology and Jewish tradition despite the tedious claims of an identity of interests between the two. This is evident in the way many Reform and Conservative rabbis disparage Christian Zionists and traditional Jews who reject the two-state paradigm, but encourage political alliances with Muslim groups that have extremist roots or connections.
It is also apparent in their willingness to legitimize left-wing groups, such as J Street and the New Israel Fund, that claim to support Israel but actually endorse policies that threaten her continuity as a Jewish state.
In a recent blog, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President Emeritus of the Union for Reform Judaism (URJ), demonstrated his movements priorities when he excoriated the writer Pamela Geller, known for her counter-jihad activism, and urged that she be banned from speaking in American synagogues. Pamela Geller has no place in an American synagogue, he wrote, describing her as a bigot and purveyor of hate.
The offenses earning her this kind of enmity include her outspoken criticism of Muslim anti-Semitism, her mission to expose the Islamist connections of supposedly moderate groups such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), and her sponsorship of anti-jihad posters in the New York City subways.
Ms. Geller is abhorred by the Jewish left also because she challenges it for minimizing, ignoring or denying the pervasiveness of Muslim anti-Semitism. She confronts stealth jihad and Islamist dissimulation head-on and criticizes liberals who assist in facilitating both.
Rabbi Yoffie proposed that Ms. Geller be blackballed and that Peter Beinart and representatives of J Street instead be welcomed into American synagogues. This seems rather strange considering Beinarts and J Streets endorsement of policies that would appear to threaten Israeli security, but it fits the lefts pattern of deprecating those with whom it disagrees and branding them hate-mongers. Furthermore, it is consistent with Rabbi Yoffies pronouncement several years ago discouraging alliances with Christian Zionists.
Regarding the affinity of many evangelicals for Israel, Rabbi Yoffie wrote then that [w]hat they mean by support of Israel and what we mean by support of Israel are two very different things. This is a fair statement for someone who holds divergent views, but it begs the question of just what support of Israel has come to mean in liberal Jewish circles. Unfortunately, the answer does not always reflect well on the nontraditional movements.
For one thing, there seems to be growing acceptance of J Street, an organization with a clear pro-Palestinian bias and a penchant for: blaming Israel for the failure of Mideast peace; failing to acknowledge Arab-Muslim rejectionism; hosting speakers with anti-Israel records; and opposing pro-Israel interests in Congress.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/13632#.UyuYMVf535N
Your fake outrage over a letter to the editor to Ma'an is sad but marks an agenda against a Palestinian
publication of your intentions.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)at least from a Palestinian POV under the guard of Israeli police no less
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)unless you actually support these third temple racists is that it ?