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Israeli

(4,148 posts)
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 02:52 AM Apr 2014

On the collapse of the Kerry talks:

The 'outrageous hypocrisy' of Tzipi Livni & Yair Lapid

Raviv Drucker is a prominent Israeli journalist and political analyst with his own program (co-hosted) on Channel 10 News. He’s one of my favorites, because he’s supremely well informed, doesn’t suffer fools (gladly or otherwise) and back in the day was generous with his knowledge toward novice journalists who speak Hebrew with a weird accent (could be me; I’m not saying…). Below is the blog post he published on Friday in response to the claim, put out by Tzipi Livni and Yair Lapid, that the (still unofficial) collapse of the Kerry-sponsored talks is all the fault of Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority. The tone here is one of sarcasm, rage, and deep sadness. A note on the translation: Israeli journalists generally refer to Abbas as Abu Mazen, which is his kunya. (Translated with permission of the author.)

http://972mag.com/on-the-collapse-of-the-kerry-talks-the-outrageous-hypocrisy-of-tzipi-livni-yair-lapid/89316/

These two representatives of the governing coalition’s so-called peace camp have set a new record in hypocrisy and revulsion. Their spin and self-delusion are nauseating, and are for only one purpose — strengthening their positions in the government. And the Israeli public will pay a heavy price for their venality. Ehud Barak could learn a thing or two from these novice politicians.

Just a few facts — not that facts are of any particular interest to Livni or Lapid. Israel blatantly and flagrantly violated the terms of agreement with the Palestinians. Upon entering these negotiations, the Palestinians agreed to shelve two of their three conditions (withdrawal to the pre-1967 boundaries and a freeze on settlement building). In return, the delighted Netanyahu committed “only” to the release of Palestinian prisoners. And then he simply did not release the fourth round of prisoners. Why? Just because. Because he felt like it. Instead, he decided that he had a condition: Abu Mazen should commit to keeping the negotiations going. Did you hear Livni and Lapid, the Knights of the Diplomatic Process, say anything about this flagrant violation of the agreement? Nope. That might have caused tension between them and Netanyahu. Heaven forbid. And then Abu Mazen “blew everything up” by submitting requests to join 15 international organizations under the auspices of the UN. Wow, what a painful violation. Once upon a time the Palestinian Authority was held responsible for releasing terrorists, or for turning a blind eye to information about terror attacks. Now their terrible violation is submitting requests to join international organizations. What a catastrophe. It’s a good thing we have 200 atom bombs to protect us from this threat to our existence.

Livni is not angry at Netanyahu for making a joke out of the negotiations, or for being responsible for more settlement growth than at any time in the history of the occupation. Lapid is not “boiling mad” because Israel suddenly made its security demands so onerous that it was impossible for Abu Mazen to meet them. Livni has nothing to say to the Israeli public about the fact that for eight months Netanyahu has prevented her from presenting a map of the negotiations, which have not progressed one centimeter. All that matters is keeping her seat as Minister of Justice while telling us with a straight face that the only reason she stays in politics is for the sake of the diplomatic process

It’s all so depressing.


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On the collapse of the Kerry talks: (Original Post) Israeli Apr 2014 OP
Lisa Goldman, King_David Apr 2014 #1
?????? riverbendviewgal Apr 2014 #2
The poster Israeli has told us many times King_David Apr 2014 #4
This is something that immigrants from the USA should be paying attention to. riverbendviewgal Apr 2014 #6
If I was looking for a " poster " that ... Israeli Apr 2014 #9
I know , King_David Apr 2014 #10
You know nada King_David ... Israeli Apr 2014 #11
I'll let that pas but I already said please refrain King_David Apr 2014 #13
you are so transparent King_David.... Israeli Apr 2014 #15
OK Morah, King_David Apr 2014 #17
I smell the rat from Vegas randr Apr 2014 #3
which bag man in vegas sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #5
I am saying that the Zionist Conservatives who have control of the Israeli government randr Apr 2014 #7
who is the bag man? n/t sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #8
Shelton Adelson randr Apr 2014 #12
so sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #14
No I am not randr Apr 2014 #18
you got his name wrong .... Israeli Apr 2014 #16
Thanks for the correction and link randr Apr 2014 #19

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. The poster Israeli has told us many times
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:21 AM
Apr 2014

The immigrants to Israel are different to her and have very different "culture".

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
6. This is something that immigrants from the USA should be paying attention to.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.timesofisrael.com/americans-in-israel-to-face-fatca-irs-collectors/

Click on the link to read the whole article.

Americans in Israel to face FATCA, IRS collectorsThe US is going to great lengths to collect outstanding taxes, and is now getting help from the Bank of Israel

As of Tuesday, Israeli banks will no longer serve American customers who refuse to sign documents that will allow banks to report on their accounts to US authorities. New rules issued by the Bank of Israel will bring the country into full compliance with the requirements of FATCA — The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act — which imposes harsh penalties on non-US banks that do not comply with US reporting requirements. The rules were listed in a note issued by the BOI to banks in Israel on Sunday.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
9. If I was looking for a " poster " that ...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:29 AM
Apr 2014

proved my point ....you would be top of the list King_David.

Ulpan eh

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
11. You know nada King_David ...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:04 PM
Apr 2014

but ...you are a great source of amusement , I give you that much .

Quote : " I don't answer personal questions for security reasons. "



Are the Shabak after you for personating a surgeon ???

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. I'll let that pas but I already said please refrain
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:03 PM
Apr 2014

From disclosing my personal information on this forum as it is a matter for admin to take up if it continues.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
15. you are so transparent King_David....
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:09 AM
Apr 2014

....the only person that is responsible for disclosing your " personal information on this forum " is yourself .

Take it up with the " admin " ...I'm sure he/she is not going to censor me for having a sense of humour .

May I suggest that you keep your comments for the OP that is under discussion and start acting like an adult for a change .

randr

(12,409 posts)
3. I smell the rat from Vegas
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:43 AM
Apr 2014

Are the Republicans playing another "foreign policy" ponzi scheme before the next elections? Are the conservative Zionists in Israel throwing a wrench in the works at the bequest of their bag man in Vegas?

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
5. which bag man in vegas
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

are you saying that just because that conservative funder is jewish he somehow has control over the Israeli government?

randr

(12,409 posts)
7. I am saying that the Zionist Conservatives who have control of the Israeli government
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:15 PM
Apr 2014

have a bag man in Vegas

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
14. so
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:56 PM
Apr 2014

are you trying to say that the Israeli government/israeli conservatives are funneling money to Shelton Adelson to try and manipulate the US elections/government?

randr

(12,409 posts)
18. No I am not
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

I believe he is doing this on his own. I would speculate that he is funneling money to the Iraeli conservatives at the same time.
He is an anti Palestinian Zionist poisoned with greed.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
16. you got his name wrong ....
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:20 AM
Apr 2014

its Sheldon Adelson.

Was it this you were referring to ? :

True, Netanyahu was proved wrong the last time he tried something like this. During the last presidential elections, he openly supported Mitt Romney. The idea was that the Republicans were bound to win. The Jewish casino baron, Sheldon Adelson, poured money into their campaign, while at the same time maintaining an Israeli mass-circulation daily for the sole purpose of supporting Netanyahu.


Source: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1385074121/



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