Israeli forces storm Aqsa compound, dozens injured and detained

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=691377

JERUSALEM (Ma'an) -- Dozens of Palestinian worshipers were wounded and dozens were detained after clashes broke in the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Sunday morning with Israeli forces who had stormed the courtyards firing stun grenades and rubber-coated bullets.

The raid comes amid frequent clashes in recent days after right-wing Jewish groups urged Jews to flock to the compound -- which they believe is the site of a former Jewish temple -- and conduct Passover rituals inside.

Director of Al-Aqsa Mosque Omar Kiswani told Ma'an that more than 400 police officers stormed the courtyard of the Al-Aqsa Mosque through the Moroccan Gate and the Chain Gate escorting Ultra-Orthodox Jews other Jewish visitors into the compound.

Israeli forces, Kiswani said, "besieged" worshipers in the southern mosque "attacking them with clubs and pepper spray," after clashes broke out with Palestinian worshipers in the compound.

[sabbat hunter]

1. apparently this was known to be happening

4 days ago, when the IDF said they would be doing it, as some Palestinians were storing rocks, slabs of stone to hurl. So, this clash was not a surprise in any way shape or form, and was done because of actions by Palestinians and not just to attack Palestinians.

Additionally, Ma'an conveniently left out that the IDF prevented several Jewish Israelis from getting up on the Temple Mount to try to make a passover sacrifice last Monday.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-palestinians-stockpiling-rocks-inside-al-aqsa-mosque/

So, in actuality, Israeli forces stopped Ultra-orthodox jews from getting up to the temple mount, not escorting them.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Yes, the IDF is so trustworthy, especially when they allow settlers to attack Palestinians

while they watch and do nothing.

More from your article that gets to the bottom of it all.

Jordan on Wednesday urged the UN Security Council to end Israeli “escalation” at the compound.

“Legal, humanitarian and ethical duties of the UN Security Council and the international community require that they stop Israeli escalation and violations committed by Jewish radicals at Al-Aqsa,” Information Minister Mohammad Momani told the state-run Petra news agency.

“Such actions as well as Israel’s insistence on supporting radical groups provoke Muslims around the world, create more instability in the region and violate international laws.”

Jews believe the compound, the holiest place in Judaism, is the site where the two biblical Jewish Temples stood — and where religious Jews pray a third Temple will one day be built. The site is so holy that Jews have traditionally refrained from praying on the hilltop, but attitudes among some Orthodox Jews have been evolving and there has been growing demand to allow Jews to pray there freely as well.

So yes, the word was that Orthodox Jews were planning a sacrifice on the Temple Mount. I believe they are the Hozrim El Ha-Har group.
And just like the ultra religious settlers that harass Palestinians daily, with armed IDF guard, there is always the distinct possibility that a religious sacrifice could occur. I'd be very displeased if I was a Palestinian living and worshiping there.

[sabbat hunter]

5. my article also says

that the IDF were not going to allow that to happen.

Ma'an has a very anti-israel bias, I think that is obvious. Better sources would help support your side.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Any criticsm of Israel is considered

"Anti-Israel" to some.

Live with it.

[King_David]

8. Anti Israel is one thing , but they don't seem to like Jews

Maan has printed some radical extremist right wing antiSemitic essays recently.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Your dubious accusations have been carefully noted.

[azurnoir]

14. a Letter to the Editor is an essay? if so then a talkback must be a composition

[Scootaloo]

16. This is wearisome Dave

Your good pal and fellow Mosby recently utilized Daniel Pipes' "Middle East Forum" as a credible source.

Didn't see you raising a stink over the shit posted on that place.

Fozzledick utilizes the rather loathsome Ronald Lauder as a source; You say you don't much care for Lauder, but you spend the entire thread talking about maan, rather than the source actually used, in a definite effort to deflect from how repugnant Lauder is.

We have Mosby again, this time citing the Washington Free Beacon, the mouthpiece of the ultra-right neoconservative group "Center for American Freedom." And of course rather than criticize his use of a deranged far-right anti-democrat publication (It calls Bush "America's greatest living president) you revel in it.

And again with Mosby, this time citing The Tower. Much as with the WFB, this is a lobby group mouthpiece - and once again it's a far right organization, The Israel Project. No complaints from you.

So I wonder where exactly you feel you have any room whatsoever to criticize anyone using maan? I mean your basis is some bigoted op-eds on maan, but you clearly take no issue with other bigots, who use also hateful sources - in some cases those sources are hateful to the core, not just a few scattered op-eds. Gatestone Institute, Middle East Forum, Camera, The Tower, PalWatch, Washington Free beacon, or your favorite pro-Israel South African, Kenneth Meshoe. But you don't complain. not a peep. Nothing.

But then, you yourself are a loud and proud Muslim hating bigot, apparently. You also ride to the defense of homophobes and antisemites like Chloe Valdary, so bigotry of all sorts seems to be a defining feature of your character.

[King_David]

17. None of that really has anything to do with Maan

Publishing anti Jewish hatred multiple occasions .

[Scootaloo]

18. You clearly aren't bothered by anti-Arab or anti-Muslim hatred

And judging by your use of Kenneth Meshoe as a source, and your defense of Chloe Valdary (and through her, John Hagee ministries) you really don't have a problem with raging homophobia or antisemitism, either.

So my point is that you really have no space to complain about use of Maan as a news source, due to a hateful letter to the editor it published. Especially not when you either defend or have nothing to say about the hatred of sources your fellow "Liberal Zionists" use like Middle East Forum, PalWatch, The Algemeiner, Gatestone Institute, et al.

When you spread your disdain evenly, abandon your love for right-wing hateful sources, and apologize for your obvious praise for "I hate Muslims," we'll talk.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. Well put.

[King_David]

20. Flight of ideas...

And I did no such thing.

But with 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world and 12 Million Jews it is amazing that on a progressive website where overt antiSemitic essays are cheered on and encouraged against the minority -- only on DU --- this is not real life USA .

The rest of your post was nonsense especially the part about Islamaphobia and myself ( what absolute rubbish ).

What DU does bring out is all the hidden and classical bigotry against minorities , real minorities that's been going on for centuries. People like yourself who have described Zionism ( aka Jewish peoples national project) as white supremism ( which is ironic as Arayans don't consider us white )

No need to look in Mirror as the image you paint of yourself here is very clear.
( how's it going with your self admitted secret membership in Stormfront ?)

[azurnoir]

21. Real minorities?

so by your comment bigotry against Asians in the US must be okay because Asians are a majority on global level?

Muslims and Jews are both minorities in the US and Muslim quite definitely are in Israel, but you excuse bigotry against Muslims (US, Israel,elsewhere(?)) because on global level there are more Muslims than Jews?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. "overt antiSemitic essays are cheered on"

Prove it, king.

Show DUers where overt antiSemitic essays are cheered on. Please.

[King_David]

3. "Additionally, Ma'an conveniently left out "

Maan is not the most honest source to be using.
In the past it has been caught printing extremist right wing antiSemitic essays.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. I would go with Ma'an over you any day, king.

[azurnoir]

7. Jordan blames Israel for Temple Mount clashes

According to the report, the Jordanian government harshly condemned the Israeli offenses against the Temple Mount compound, which include "the entry of radical Jews, hurting the sanctity of the al-Aqsa mosque, attacks on worshippers and employees of the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf."

In recent days, dozens of Arab youths, some masked, rioted on the Temple Mount, throwing stones and fire crackers at security forces deployed to the scene. The clashes led to the compound being closed to visitors and the arrests of dozens suspected of violent acts.

In the personal call with the Israeli ambassador in Amman, Daniel Nevo, Jordanian officials demanded Israeli end these actions immediately. According to the Jordanians, Israel must take responsibility for the safety and security of the Temple Mount, the worshippers, the Waqf workers, and other visitors to the site.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4511718,00.html


I really don't understand why the Jordanians are going about Israel protecting 'visitors' to the Al Aqsa compound errr Temple Mount Israeli security was quite protective of Moshe Feiglin when he 'visited' yesterday

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. Ah, yes. Moshe Feiglin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

In 1993, Moshe Feiglin co-founded the Zo Artzeinu ("This [is] our Land/Country&quot movement with Shmuel Sackett to protest the Oslo Accords. On August 8, 1995, 80 intersections throughout the country were blocked in a massive act of civil disobedience against the Oslo process. As a result of his activities, Feiglin was sentenced to six months in prison in 1997 for sedition against the state by Israel's Supreme Court. The sentence was later commuted to community service.[21]

In November 1996, Moshe Feiglin established the Manhigut Yehudit movement to foster Jewish leadership for Israel. In 2000, the movement joined Israel's Likud party as a faction dedicated to the same goal. Feiglin declared that he would be a candidate for chairmanship of the party as a springboard for premiership of the State of Israel.

“We have to internalize that this is our Land – exclusively.... Most important: We must expel the Moslem wakf from the Temple Mount and restore exclusive Israeli sovereignty over this most holy site.”

With friends like these who needs enemas?

[azurnoir]

10. Time was when these 3rd temple folks were considered fringe 'nut cases' but

as time goes on they are gaining more and more power, so that now Moshe Feiglin once tried for sedition is now an MK and then you have the likes of Naftali Bennett and Orit Stroock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orit_Strook

[Israeli]

11. Moshe Feiglin has been in the news again recently ....

but in Maariv which does not have anymore an english edition ...
ref: http://www.nrg.co.il/online/11/ART2/574/784.html?mob_no_redirect=true





notice this :



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only place I can find that is reporting on it in english ..... is Tikun Olam :

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/04/25/knesset-deputy-speaker-fundraises-for-israeli-terror-group/

"" Though Jewish extremists have skirted the law by giving their parties different names while retaining the same violent ideology. Feiglin is one of these and there are several others serving in both the Likud and other far-right fringe parties in the Knesset.

In addition to his Kahanist ideology, Feiglin is one of the Likud’s most popular politicians. He is one of the chief inciters of tension with Muslims, making regular pilgrimages for prayer to the Temple Mount, which is controlled by a Muslim religious committee. The Likud MK believes, along with his extremist settler brethren, in destroying the Haram al-Sharif and rebuilding the Holy Temple in its place. Such a prospect threatens violence that would be far worse than that which resulted from Ariel Sharon’s walk on the Temple Mount, which started the second Intifada.""

He was " once tried for sedition " because of his involvement in this :

http://www.amazon.ca/Murder-Name-God-Yitzhak-Rabin/dp/0805057498

"" Murder in the Name of God is the first book to give the full story of the people whose words and actions made Rabin's assassination inevitable: the nationalist rabbis who condemned Rabin by invoking an arcane talmudic ruling; the militant settlers and right-wing politicians who launched a sophisticated campaign of incitement against him; and the security experts who saw what was coming but failed to act. In a series of shocking revelations, the book ranges beyond Israel to expose the extent of American support--financial and ideological--for the movement that produced Rabin's killer. ""

[azurnoir]

12. wow JDL was classified as a terrorist group in 2001 by the FBI

I did not know they were still operating in Canada

[Israeli]

15. Canada, the UK and France :

ref : http://www.jdl-uk.org/p/jdl-uk-activism.html


JDL UK meets with Moshe Feiglin and Meir Weinstein in Israel


JDL UK, JDL Canada and various other Zionists Visit the grave of Rabbi Meir Kahane

Also ref :
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/french-jdl-recruiting-jews-with-military-experience-to-defend-israeli-settlements-1.383822

" The organization that put out the call for militant Jews is the French branch of the Jewish Defense League, or Kach, an organization established by Meir Kahane in the late 1960s and banned in the United States and Israel, but tolerated in France. "
............

Not forgetting The Wild West Bank especially Hevron where it thrives :



Graffiti by the far-right ‘Jewish Defence League’ in Hebron reads ‘GAS THE ARABS’. The graffiti is located in the section of the city controlled by the Israeli military, where local Palestinians live under permanent martial law. No efforts have been made by the Israeli forces to remove these offensive words.

The violent racism of this message is symbolic of the actions of the settler movement in Hebron and other parts of Palestine. Palestinian children in Hebron are frequently attacked by Jewish settlers, to such an extent that an international mission has been set up to help walk children to and from school every day.

[azurnoir]

22. Thank you to be honest

I had no idea that JDL still operated in Canada, the UK, and the EU