Lockheed Martin Opens New Office In Israel

[King_David]

BE’ER SHEVA, Israel, April 9, 2014 – Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] Chairman, President and CEO Marillyn Hewson officially opened our newest office in Israel today to support the Corporation’s growing presence in that important country. The new office further demonstrates the Corporation’s commitment to supporting the Israeli Defense Force and their “Move to the South” campaign.
Former Israeli Air Force Brig. Gen. Shelly Gotman was recently appointed as managing director of Israel for the company’s Information Systems & Global Solutions (IS&GS) business and will lead the office. Lockheed Martin’s IS&GS business has been the number one provider of information technology solutions and services to the U.S. government for the past 19 years. It has been growing its international presence with major operations in the United Kingdom, Europe, and Australia. Current IS&GS customers include NATO; British air traffic management organization NATS; the Australian Tax office; and the United Kingdom Ministry of Justice.


http://lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/april/0409hq-israel.html

[Scootaloo]

1. Well, good news for arms dealers and their customers, I guess.

[King_David]

2. Dunno about that , economics story and BDS too.

[azurnoir]

3. I guess that adds credence to the stories of some heavy layoffs of LM office workers in my area

thanks for letting folks know where their jobs are going

[King_David]

5. No prob if you read the OP

They in many countries and investing now in Israel despite BDS .

[Jefferson23]

6. lol, they are the last one on this earth who would ever acquire a conscience. n/t

[King_David]

7. What conscience ?

It's been proven the BDS movement is uber antiSemitic ... It's all about Jews with them... Just look at the boycott called against the JEWISH exhibit at unesco .

[Jefferson23]

8. Nonsense, but you knew that. Rest assured Lockheed Martin will not cower to any

efforts to boycott Israel's occupation of the Palestinians.

I am sure they are thrilled with the move, as much if not more than Bibi...their stock
in trade are killing machines.

It is a dangerous world and they aim to keep it that way.

[King_David]

9. Any company that "cowers " to BDS

Only does so for antiSemitic anti Jewish reasons.

Witness the boycott of the Jewish exhibit at unesco .

That's why there are no US companies participating in the BDS Jewish hatefest.

We all know this.

[Jefferson23]

10. Enjoy Lockheed Martin and all your fantasies. n/t

[King_David]

11. Oki doki

That's a good rebuttal

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. That has yet to be proven, but will they cower before a legal US rulling?

http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/this-weeks-news/id=1202651783888/Scheindlin%20Preserves%20ApartheidEra%20Suit%20Against%20Companies?mcode=1202615038803&curindex=10&slreturn=20140323235808

Scheindlin Preserves Apartheid-Era Suit Against Companies

After a federal appellate court all but instructed her to dismiss the case, Southern District Judge Shira Scheindlin (See Profile) has kept alive a lawsuit accusing Ford, IBM and other companies of abusing human rights by doing business with South Africa's apartheid regime.

Defying the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, Scheindlin on Thursday said that the companies still might face liability under the Alien Tort Statute for providing vehicles, computers and other materials that helped the South African government violate international law through torture and extrajudicial killings.

In August 2013, the circuit remanded two cases led by Ntzebesa v. Citigroup, 02-ms-01499, which is part of the multidistrict litigation in In Re South Africa Apartheid Litigation, 02 MDL 1499.

The case was remanded to Scheindlin because the U.S. Supreme Court had held four months earlier that the strong presumption against lawsuits in U.S. courts for actions that occur entirely outside of the United States also applies to the Alien Tort Statute (ATS) (NYLJ, April 18, 2013).

But please keep up with your delusions of victimization.

[Israeli]

14. think your wrong about ....

" That's why there are no US companies participating in the BDS "

ref : ...

U.S. legal victory for BDS movement

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/features/economy-of-the-occupation/7962-u-s-legal-victory-for-bds-movement

[Violet_Crumble]

20. What was also nonsense was that stuff about a 'boycott' of a UNESCO exhibit..

The exhibit was postponed, and there was no boycott. It's been explained to that poster more than a few times, but they just keep on ignoring it.

[Jefferson23]

21. It was about this hypocrisy..or another one?

US to lose vote at UNESCO over three-year Palestine boycott



Move has prompted new criticism of laws that force funding cutoff for any UN agency with Palestine as a member
November 7, 2013 6:15PM ET


American influence in culture, science and education around the world is facing a high-profile blow Friday, with the United States to be stripped of its voting rights at the United Nations' cultural agency, UNESCO. It would cost the U.S. hundreds of millions of dollars to win its vote back.

The United States hasn't paid its dues to the Paris-based U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization in three years in protest over the decision by world governments to make Palestine a UNESCO member in 2011. The Palestinian territories, which are not yet a sovereign state, were granted full membership in UNESCO two years ago.

Under UNESCO rules, the U.S. has until Friday morning to resume funding or it will automatically lose its vote.

The suspension of U.S. contributions, which account for $80 million a year — 22 percent of UNESCO's budget — brought the agency to the brink of a financial crisis and forced it to cut U.S.-led initiatives such as Holocaust education and tsunami research over the past two years.

It has worried many in Washington that the U.S. is on track to become a toothless UNESCO member with a weakened voice in international programs fighting extremism through education and promoting gender equality and press freedoms.

"We won't be able to have the same clout," said Phyllis Magrab, the Washington-based U.S. national commissioner for UNESCO. "In effect, we (won't) have a full toolbox. We're missing our hammer."

The UNESCO tension has prompted new criticism of U.S. laws that force an automatic funding cutoff for any U.N. agency with Palestine as a member.

The agency may be best known for its program to protect the cultures of the world via its heritage sites, including the Statue of Liberty and Mali's Timbuktu.

But its core mission, as conceived by the U.S., a co-founder of the agency in 1946, was to be an anti-extremist organization. In today's world, it tackles foreign-policy issues such as access to clean water, teaching girls to read, eradicating poverty, promoting freedom of expression and giving people creative-thinking skills to resist violent extremism.

Among UNESCO programs already slashed because of funding shortages is one in Iraq that was intended to help restore proper water facilities. Another was a Holocaust- and genocide-awareness program in Africa to teach about nonviolence, nondiscrimination and ethnic tolerance.

That loss is a particular blow to the U.S., since Holocaust awareness was one of the areas in the organization's agenda that the country aggressively promoted when it rejoined in 2002 after withdrawing for 18 months over differences in vision.

The concern over UNESCO is resonating in the U.S. Congress.

"The United States must not voluntarily forfeit its leadership in the world community," Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., told The Associated Press in an email.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/7/us-to-lose-vote-atunescoincursdebts.html

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Heh, it's hard to keep up with all the hypocrisy n/t

[Jefferson23]

30. Yep, so heavily applied. It's a wonder the Palestinians can breathe.

[azurnoir]

12. so you consider Americans losing jobs good as long as

they go to Israelis? This has nothing to do with BDS

[King_David]

15. What's good for Israel is good for America

[azurnoir]

16. Really job loss is good for America because the jobs are going to Israel?

care to explain how that works?

[King_David]

17. No need to explain ,because expansion into Israel

Doesn't equal job losses .

[azurnoir]

18. expansion into one location while downsizing another that both do similar duties does seem

to suggest something, but you've given your opinion quite well here thanks

[King_David]

19. You pull this Economic theory of yours our of thin air?

Good luck with that .

Spread the word.

[azurnoir]

22. My theory? that job loss for Americans is bad no matter what country gets new jobs?

and your opinion is also here for all to see

Star Member King_David (6,770 posts)
15. What's good for Israel is good for America

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113462426#post15

I'm sure unemployed Americans would agree

[King_David]

23. That makes no sense, you invent some Micky mouse economic theorem

That makes no sense whatsoever to anyone with a passing knowledge or expertise of economics and then you expand and argue on this theory .
I couldn't argue or agree or disagree with some nonsense theory about job losses because it's Mickey Mouse and Goofy nonsense.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. It made perfect sense. You're caught, once again, but this time you

aren't screaming about being bullied. This time you will just ignore your own post that azurnoir pointed out and dive off into the "Micky Mouse & Goofey" retorts.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. It's called basic logic, Dave...

There's this zany new invention called Google where if you don't know what the hell is going on around you, you can go and stick a few words in the search box and enlightenment will be delivered to yr browser. Lockheed Martin is a US defence company that's downsizing severely in the US and at the same time expanding operations overseas. In this case, what's good for Israel isn't good for the US, as there's many American workers out of jobs...

[King_David]

28. I don't use google for any serious education.

You may not like this but What is good for Israel is good for the USA and this has been reaffirmed many times by our parties representatives in congress.

Lockheed Martin has opened in Australia too and what's good for USA is good for Australia .

The USA will secure here own interests first and foremost every time as it should.

So no it does not make any economic sense that theory , try again.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. It does help to educate yrself before lecturing others like you did...

Just blindly repeating the same 'what's good for Israel is good for the US' is kind of lame and not taking you anywhere on the scale of being convincing. A company downsizing in the US and expanding overseas is good for the company and good for workers in the other country, but it isn't good for the unemployed workers in the US. It's not too hard to follow if you put yr mind to it...

[King_David]

32. As I said what is good for Israel is good for the USA

Look how much employment this Israeli company has created in the USA by expansion into every city .

The more they boycott them the more they expand.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3272286,00.html

I am in Miami at the moment and Aroma has penetrated every neighborhood .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Dave's subtext.

What's good for Israel is good for Israel. Am I wrong on this?

Also you seem to become less enlightened, if ever you were, with each and every passing comment.

"I don't use google for any serious education."

Let me help you, King, since there seems to be a disconnect between you and knowledge. Google is a search engine like an old fashioned library card catalog. The only difference is that Google is a card catalog on steroids. With Google, or other search engines, you can search out content that you might not so easily find in a library; finding what you are looking for and educate yourself.

But it doesn't seem that you really want to be educated and would rather start from a position of being uninformed about the world...or at the very least a very narrow and provincial view: myopic really. That's you choice. Since apparently it doesn't appear to be an educated position that I would expect from somebody in the medical field, IMHO, I would defer to ask you where your education of something as simple as Lockheed Martin downsizing American jobs and shifting them overseas is beneficial for America: sound bites aside?

If you meant that it is good for American business interests solely on the basis of profit then perhaps you are not only in the wrong group but also on the wrong website. Perhaps in an insular world that position appears relevant, but to those Americans that lose their jobs so that they can be shifted to an Apartheid state that has been known to spy on us, trash talks our POTUS, embarrasses us on the diplomatic stage and is openly hostile to a captive nation it may not appear as anything like wisdom. It may appear more attuned to the wisdom of Cliven Bundy than any King, King.


So you are free to explain how cutting jobs in the USA to reward Israel, a state run by a group of belligerent right wing assholes, is beneficial for those Americans than now have the privilege of a pink slip and knowing that their jobs won't be coming back.

Oh, and BTW, before you call me a lair or making shit up...

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/11/14/lockheed-martin-layoffs-closing-plants/

Lockheed Martin Cutting 4,000 Jobs, Closing Plants

This article is from November. So yeah, I guess that this is really good for America.


One other thing, King, I found this article on Google.

Consider yourself schooled.

[Shaktimaan]

41. Shifting jobs?

So what evidence is there to support the idea that the office opening in Israel has any relationship to the layoffs here? Correlation and causality are two different things.

Is LM hiring Israelis to do the same jobs that were list here? Is this a "US car company moving to Mexico" situation?

Your argument is nonsensical.

[King_David]

47. Agreed

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. By the numbers. See if you can keep up.

From the kings article.
http://lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/april/0409hq-israel.html

Former Israeli Air Force Brig. Gen. Shelly Gotman was recently appointed as managing director of Israel for the company’s Information Systems & Global Solutions (IS&GS) business and will lead the office. Lockheed Martin’s IS&GS business has been the number one provider of information technology solutions and services to the U.S. government for the past 19 years.

From the article I posted.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/11/14/lockheed-martin-layoffs-closing-plants/

Another 2,000 positions will be cut in its information systems and global solutions, mission system and training, and space systems units by 2014's end.

Cutting American jobs resurface in Israel.

So, my argument is actually spot on, and I have done the simplest thing possible. I read the articles before making comments on them.

Perhaps you and the king can try to do the same in the future, and while you are at it try to be a little less nonsensical.

[Shaktimaan]

49. So...

According to the numbers.

4000 jobs are being lost. Of those half are being lost in three sectors of which only one is the same as the Israeli office's field. So, while you found no evidence to suggest that these lost jobs are in any way the same as those bring created in Israel, you did manage to prove that the vast majority of these job losses are entirely unrelated to the Israeli office, being that they're in completely unrelated fields.

Regarding those losses the article specifically mentions budget cuts as the reason. Nothing about Israel.

So beyond wild speculation do you have any actual proof?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

50. I just showed you the proof. Go ahead and keep spinning it all you want.

From the kings article.
http://lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/april/0409hq-israel.html

Former Israeli Air Force Brig. Gen. Shelly Gotman was recently appointed as managing director of Israel for the company’s Information Systems & Global Solutions (IS&GS) business and will lead the office. Lockheed Martin’s IS&GS business has been the number one provider of information technology solutions and services to the U.S. government for the past 19 years.

From the article I posted.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/11/14/lockheed-martin-layoffs-closing-plants/

Another 2,000 positions will be cut in its information systems and global solutions, mission system and training, and space systems units by 2014's end.

It's hilarious that I can provide examples of job losses in the US IS&GS and creation of jobs in the same IS&GS and you are going to try deflection and spin.

[Shaktimaan]

52. Well no. You didn't.

The article directly lists budget cuts, not outsourcing, as the cause of the losses. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

You showed nothing indicating a link between these two events. Or even that the us jobs and Israeli ones are even similar beyond being in the same general field. Basically you need to show that the Israeli office was opened in order to do work that otherwise would have gone to us workers.

If outsourcing caused these job losses then where's the reporting on it? Has anyone even implied that that's what's happening?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. I know, I know it must be hard for you to accept that a company name Lockheed Martin

just happens to decide to cut their US workforce Information Systems & Global Solutions (IS&GS) business and coincidentally, just coincidentally mind you, opens a unit with exactly the same name Information Systems & Global Solutions (IS&GS) business in Israel: which gets 3 billion in US military aid per year.

All purely coincidental.

It's also purely coincidental when US tech companies move their engineering jobs to India or production jobs to China citing budget and competition while cutting their US workfore.

All purely coincidental.

But there is always some corporate bottom feeder that will come along and deny that any of these happenings have any correlation.

[Shaktimaan]

54. Funny

Hey, if there's a reason to think that these cuts are due to outsourcing then why are you the only one who actually thinks so?

Unlike china and India gaining outsourced jobs, the discussion of which has garnered untold numbers of articles, books and movies.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

55. I know, so very hard for you...

[mikeysnot]

27. I just spit my coffee out on that comment.

The zionists of isreal are not our friends.

[King_David]

29. "Zionists of Israel "

I'm trying to decipher what that means.

I googled it and a bunch of extremist right wing hate sites such as "Rense " came up.

Who do you mean by "Zionists of Israel"?

[mikeysnot]

33. don't play dumb...

I just "googled" zionists and did not get any rense.com articles...

https://www.google.com/#q=zionists

[King_David]

36. Funny you called me dumb and I never google "Zionists"

Still waiting to hear from you what you meant by "Zionists of Israel"
Who are these people , I know what Rense says when I google that phrase, mostly extremist right wing sites use that phrase .

[mikeysnot]

37. wrong, but nice try...

I didn't call you dumb, I said don't play dumb.... big difference, have someone explain it to you.

BTW, what did you search to get rense? My search for zionist did not and even "if" rense did come it my search results for zionists, what would that have to do with anything what so ever?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. Seeing how the king doesn't rely on the google he sure uses/cites it often.

When I entered Zionist into Google I did not come back with one rense-related article.

Perhaps the king needs to flush out his history + cookies. Perhaps there have been too many visits to rense and he has a script inserted to draw him there magically.

[mikeysnot]

39. You think that someone going by the name king david

would have a clue...

I even provided him a link, even after asking him his search words he punted.

[King_David]

40. Again I never asked you what a Zionist was ,

You used a term u never heard before ,
" Zionists of Israel " and so I googled it and extremist right wing sites such as "Rense " came up.

It's not me playing dumb mister...

Where do you get that term from?

Who is it referring to ?

[mikeysnot]

42. arguing in circles you are

go play a "victim" somewhere else...

[King_David]

43. Was it a Freudian slip?

I think so...



( ps : please don't tell me what to do ,
"Go play blah blah" , I certainly do not take orders from anyone ever)

[azurnoir]

44. Google Zionists of Israel shows Rense 7th, whereas 2nd is Jewish Virtual Library

1rst is wiki

https://www.google.com/#q=zionists+of+israel

[King_David]

46. So what's it mean?

"Zionists of Israel are not our friends?"

What does he mean by that then?

Jews?

I'm just asking and he's not answering.

[mikeysnot]

45. Now I know you are not acting...

learn something. Or would that be telling what to do?

http://zoa.org/

[Scootaloo]

56. Just out of curiosity, I googled it as well.

1st hit: Wikipedia entry for "Zionist"

2nd hit: Jewish Virtual Library

3rd hit: nateuri Karta website. Okay, there's one!

4th hit: haaretz.com article about defining zionism.

5th hit: "True Torah Jews against Zionism." Looks like a Nateuri Karta face group. Already covered.

6th hit: Third World Traveler's page for Israel. Appears to be some flavor of kook site. Is that center-alighed comic sans? Good lord it's like 1995!

7th hit: FInally, the one lonely rense.com article in the list, which tries to explain not all jews are Zionists (which we will have already learned from not one but two Nateuri Karta sites higher on the list. Thanks Rense!)

8th hit: Urban dictionary definition of Zionist.

9th hit: Globalresearch.ca's article about the Oded Yinon Plan. A little froth there, but hardly "right-wing."

10th hit: "Israel Versus Judaism," judging from the pictures of men with thick locks in sleeper chokes by Israeli security forces, I'm guessing another NK front site. As if Israel is hostile toward orthodox Jews, ell oh ell.

11th hit: Juan Cole's article about christian Zionist GOP'ers being feted by Israel. Funny that a man born in the territory that is today Israel can't get in becuase he's an Arab, but Michelle Bachman can come and go as she likes.

12th hit: Middle East forum's article about post-Zionism. Definitely as nasty right-wing site... but as we've covered previously dave, one you approve of and support because it shares the same position as you do (that is, it's nasty and right-wing)

13th hit: Zionist Organization of America homepage.

14th hit: Mideastweb's piece on Zionism. Nasty and right-wing (most Zionist sites ARE, of course) but hardly something you would ever argue against (Again, it's nasty and right-wing, so gets King David's royal seal of approval.

15th hit: Times of Israel article lambasting a presbyterian church for daring criticize Zionism.

16th hit: Amazon page for the book, "Plowshares into Swords: From Zionism to Israel" by Arno J. Mayer. Haven't read it, can't say what it's like.

17th hit: The ADL's page on modern zionism.

18th hit: Appears to be a link to an editorial on nationalinterest.org, about how Arab Israelis are indeed Israelis. Site appears to be down or congested.

19th hit: World Zionist Organization's facebook page.

20th hit: New York Times web-publishing of the article announcing the creation of israel from 1948.

Your pearl-clutching appears to be unwarranted, Davey. But then, it usually is.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. I thought that you didn't use google?

I don't use google for any serious education.

[Jefferson23]

4. Where in the world is Lockheed Martin...they should market a board game. n/t

[shaayecanaan]

51. Lockheed spiked Israel's attempt to build its own jet back in the 80s...

the IAF Levi. Both Lockheed and Boeing didnt want competition and the US government was not particularly interested in underwriting a rival to their own defence industry.

Apparently Lockheed's office in Israel will help to develop part of the technologies inside the flight helmet of the F-35. Some have perceived this as being a bit of a sop to Israelis who may still be feeling resentful over the whole thing:-

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/10/15/In-Israel-lingering-bitterness-over-a-failed-fighter-project/UPI-78961381856103/