Israel/Palestine
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Earlier Monday, AIPAC called Kerrys remarks offensive and inappropriate, reminding the secretary of state that The Jewish state is a shining light for freedom and opportunity in a region plagued by terror, hate and oppression. Representatives from both parties parroted the line, and as they say, poof!
Kerry, it should be noted, never called Israel an apartheid state. He spoke purely in theoretical terms, saying that if Israel becomes a unitary state, meaning a single unit including the occupied territories, it would either become a non-Jewish state (due to demographic imbalance) or an Apartheid regime, should it choose to continue keeping millions of Palestinians bereft of political rights. One could argue (as I have here) that this is already the case in the West Bank. But Kerry didnt say that. As most reports pointed out, he merely repeated what many centrist Israeli politicians, including two prime ministers, have previously stated.
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(2,436 posts)Israel and South Africa were cooperating in a uranium-for-nuclear-weapons-know-how arrangement back in the day.
Back in the old apartheid day in SA.
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(4,148 posts)"" At this point, the mainstream debate over Israel/Palestine in the U.S. is so crazy and absurd so disconnected from the facts on the ground, as any person in his/her right mind knows them to be that any decision by the White House to distance itself from the diplomatic effort is probably the best course of action. There is zero chance that such a bizarre political conversation would lead to a reasonable policy that would serve the interests of the U.S., or even Israelis and Palestinians for that matter.
The two-state solution is on its death bed and Palestinians are redefining their struggle in human and civil rights terms. Meanwhile, the settlers are pushing for gradual annexation of the occupied territory. Yet the conversation in the U.S. is taking place between those supporting yesterdays ideas and those denying the existence of a problem. So where can one even begin?
Observing American politics from afar, I can argue that dysfunctional systems and/or disconnected politics exist in many fields gun control and climate change being the most obvious ones. However, there is still a big difference between the issues, since many Americans take part in the debate and have strong opinions on these issues. Therefore, ultimately, one could expect that Washington will either change or break (and then change) on them.
But the Israel/Palestine field is way smaller, and is dominated by strong gatekeepers and lobby organizations that police every aspect of the debate. By police I mean they prevent any meaningful debate on issues, and only work on forbidden terms (apartheid, occupation and the likes) and ad hominem attacks, which, when successful, are turned into guilt by association charges for maximum effect. The outcome is echoed by a media that is either not knowledgable or too carful or biased to challenge the rules of engagement. Thus, one ends up with the equal parties framing (listening to American commentary might leave you with the impression that the powerful Palestinians forced the helpless Israelis to occupy them), along with all sorts of absurdities, such as The Times recently calling Hamas the devil in a news report, or the latest Kerry fiasco.
This is not just an Israeli or Palestinian problem, and it is certainly not a Jewish problem. This is, more than anything else, an American problem. And sure enough, it creates a lot of negative effects on the ground here. As an Israeli, what concerns me the most is the way U.S. support prevents any accountability from our leaders for the occupation. Ultimately, however, the U.S.s inability to come up with an effective policy, or even a reasonable one, will invite other forces in and change the behavior of players on the ground, such that they wont be as bound or influenced by the wonderland in D.C. ""