Presby. Church USA brings shame upon itself

[King_David]

CHULA VISTA, California — My personal history with the Presbyterian Church goes back to the early 1990s, when they accepted me as a student for their doctoral program. In the three years I attended the SFTS (San Francisco Theological Seminary) in San Anselmo, CA., I considered it one of the most important learning experiences of my life. I had some outstanding scholars who served as my professors. Yet, one of the things I discerned early on in my studies, some of the professors seemed a bit more anti-Zionist than I had expected. They weren’t overly anti-Zionist, and they were mild by today’s standard.
The relationship between the Presbyterian Church and the Jewish community was reasonably cordial.

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To Presbyterians everywhere, I will conclude with one more short remark:
When the Iranian state media and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke salute your anti-Zionist attitude about Israel, you must be doing something wrong.


http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/25/presbyterian-church-usa-brings-shame-upon/

[4now]

1. I guess he is saying that the Presbyterian Church is Aniti-Semitic

It doesn't make sense to me.They are just standing up to Apartheid.
But if it was posted on the internet it must be true.

[King_David]

3. San Diego Jewish news is not just "the Internet "

Maybe you never knew ?

[King_David]

4. Think David Duke and Stormfront and KKK support of BDS is also

Just "standing up to Apartheid " ?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Just think King David spreading the fertilizer a little too thick is all.

[Turbineguy]

2. So if I say that a certain Waitress in a restaurant makes weak coffee

it must follow that I hate all women?

From a purely financial view it's probably not a smart move because in general, Israeli investments have been doing well over the long haul.

It's the attitude that any deviation from the party line makes you an anti-Zionist that allow David Duke and Iran to say such ridiculous things and connect themselves to the Presbyterian Church.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. There's a few royal pains in the ass that are trying desperately to set up the Presbyterians

and David Duke on a blind date so they can make some connection.

It's easy to understand. Israel is on a downward slope WRT occupation, colonization and apartheid. Europe is fekking tired of it, and that is why a lot of EU states are now advising their citizens that investing in any company that does business in the OPT is a bad idea. There is also a growing number of American institutions that are divesting themselves from companies doing business in the OPT. The Presbyterians are one of these groups.

So what is Israel and their RPA's to do? Try and tie them to David Duke, the Iranians now, and anybody else that they can to discredit these groups as anti-Semites and bigots.

There is just one small problem. Nobody is buying it. The boy that cried "bigots" keeps on crying, but it is terribly hard to believe that he is sincere while he is slapping around another population and confiscating their lands for Israeli-only settlements.

I doubt that Israel will change its MO. I'm not sure that they would know how to, but the world doesn't want any part of this nonsense any longer. That's what frightens Israel and its RPAs into the smear campaign.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. I'm glad to see that you are keeping the hate mill running, king. Fake guilt by no association

certainly makes your OPs look terribly weak.

But I understand, you jest can't help yourself.

[Fozzledick]

7. When you have to keep making excuses for agreeing with David Duke

maybe it's time to stop making excuses and think about why you agree with David Duke.

[King_David]

8. Exactly right

[Turbineguy]

9. I think it's the other way around.

David Duke agrees with the Presbyterian Church. I don't think the Church did this to show that they agreed with Duke.

If I happen to look at my watch when it is at the exact time as a stopped clock we could say they are both in agreement.

Under these rules I could not do anything (eat lunch, sleep whatever) at the same time as Rush Limbaugh, because it would mean that I agree with him.

This is a BS argument that discredits Zionism.

[Fozzledick]

11. Q: What time is it when you agree with David Duke's anti-Semitic hate?

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A: Time to stop making excuses.

If you agree with Rush Limbaugh on the time of day, that's meaningless and irrelevant.

If you were to agree with his hatred and malice toward women and Blacks, that's another matter altogether.

The Presbyterian Church's agreement with David Duke isn't about the time of day.

[geek tragedy]

12. Logical fallacy in extremis.

The proposition that all anti-Semites are critics of Israel does not imply taffy all critics of Israel are anti-Semites.

This is acknowledged by all intellectually honest commenters.

[Turbineguy]

16. Actually, I gave you a way out:

I thought that dumping Israeli assets was not a good financial move.

Using your logic, that would make me a flaming Zionist who gives Israel permission to wipe out all Palestinians.

If the Israelis and the Palestinians could have a rational discussion, who knows what might come of it. That is of course, strictly forbidden.

[azurnoir]

33. PCUSA divested from3 American companies for their dealings in the West Bank settlements not Israel

unless of course you consider the settlements to be already a part of Israel?

The companies are Caterpillar, Motorola, Hewlett-Packard all of which are American companies

[Scootaloo]

15. Hitler liked dogs. Ergo the American Kennel Club is a Nazi front group? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. Hi.

Nice to see you.

[Scootaloo]

18. Glad someone thinks so

[Fozzledick]

19. I can't imagine why

[Scootaloo]

20. So, no angry invective against the American Kennel Club, Fozzie?

C'mon, they're obsessed with pure breeds, and their top registers are blondes and Germans!

[Fozzledick]

21. Hey, if you're gonna pretend I didn't already rebut that weak evasion

then I'm just gonna pretend that's a funny joke. Ha, ha.

So how have things been in cloud magic-pony land?

[Scootaloo]

23. You didn't in fact, you just reiterated the poor logic you were using before.

Your assumption is plainly that because David Duke has "endorsed" something, that must mean the other people behind whatever that is are just like David Duke, or at the least should reflexively change their position to one diametrically opposite of his own.

of course, David Duke's opinion about anything is a red herring. Was he instrumental to anything involving the Presbyterian church's decision? No, he wasn't. Was trhe Presbyterian Church motivated by anything pertaining to Duke? No, they plainly weren't. He's just a name you guys throw out there to try to tar the Presbyterian Church.

E.g., "Hitler liked dogs, so the AKC is a nazi front group."

So. Rather than serving as David Duke's personal loudspeaker, any chance you can come up with a reason why the Presbyterian Church should be obligated to continue investing in Hewlett-Packard, Caterpillar, and Motorolla?

[Jefferson23]

34. 6 Degrees of David Duke, some here play that parlor game, a lot. n/t

[Scootaloo]

35. Don't go stealing my jokes, Jefferson

[Jefferson23]

36. ha ha, I could not resist.

Also, welcome back.

[geek tragedy]

10. Hey, you guys have Cheney and Putin cheering you on

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Not to mention the fascist right in Europe.


http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/support-for-israels-settlements-from-europes-right/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


so be careful about bullshit guilt by not-even association.

[King_David]

13. You mean all these Democratic Party reps?

http://www.voicesagainstbds.com/electeds--orgs-against-bds.html

[geek tragedy]

14. I'm talking about Israel's slow motion annexation

of the West Bank and shuffle towards apartheid. That's Israel's legacy, its idea of being 'a light unto nations.'

Own it, guys, brag about it. Might as well, since it's all yours.

As for the names on that list, same crowd that thinks Bibi is god's gift to humanity.

[Scootaloo]

24. No, I think he means the EDL

[King_David]

25. Yes but that was found to be false flag

David Dukes support was real .

[Scootaloo]

26. Was it, now?

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/tommy-speaks-out/
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/the-english-defence-league-standing-firm/
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/edl-jewish-division-new-leadership-new-facebook-page/
...Among others you can find easily enough. I'd love to see what sort of treasure trove lies within their forums, but oh golly, I'd hate for you to get all huffy on my creating a screen name over there to access those nuts' stuff, too! All that, false flags?

Speaking of flags, check out those pictures at the second link. The EDL's a big fan of Israel, Dave. Sorry.

Also big fans of Nachum Shifren, looks like. So... tell me. Kach... also "false flags"?

Also, with regards to Putin... well... I'm curious, what's your opinion of Russia's annexupation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?

is Putin a "false flag" too?

[King_David]

27. Putin is a homophobic fuck

Same as Hamas and almost all surrounding unenlightened Primitive Backward gay hating countries of the Middle East ( except for Israel of course) and Russia .

[Scootaloo]

28. Crimea, Dave. Keep focus n/t

[King_David]

29. Oh by the way I was doing research today

And you know the shit you wrote about white supremism and Zionists :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=57842

I know now where it comes from but we not allowed to link to hate sites here on DU .

[Scootaloo]

30. You know what's interesting?

I happened to bump into what you're talking about while flipping through wikipedia in response to Fozzie upthread.

Know what else I noticed? This source you speak of predicates his argument on an utter and complete inability to distinguish between Jews as a people, and Zionism as a political philosophy. Reminds me of someone I talk with here, in fact. curious that they even share a name!

So, I'm afraid your thesis is incorrect Dave. Sorry. he's attacking a people, i'm critiquing politics. Sort of like how one can shit-talk Stalinism without hating Russians - Speaking of... Crimea?

[King_David]

31. Jews as a People

Is what Zionism is.

Zionism is not a political philosophy. You been reading the wrong websites.Mixing with the wrong crowd.

That there is a valuable lesson for you.

[Scootaloo]

32. Which is exactly what that other guy thinks, too.

You might want to reexamine your beliefs, as you've been demanding others do.

...Shit, this is like some weird version of "Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon" isn't it?

So anyway. Your opinion on Russia's annexation of crimea and its efforts in Eastern ukraine? I'm dying to know, you're keeping me in such suspense with your evasions