No peace in Palestine in 2014

[Jefferson23]

As violence escalates, the hope for peace between Palestinians and Israelis in 2014 has disappeared.

Even though the United Nations has declared 2014 as the year of solidarity with the Palestinian people, there are indications that this year will not bring the peace that Palestinians and Israelis have long sought. While the Arab region is dipping into sectarianism, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is also spiralling out of control with no end in sight to the cycle of violence, revenge, killings, kidnappings, bombings, rocket attacks and so on.

The peace process was already on shaky ground when it began in September 2013 without consensus on two crucial issues: the general basis of the talks; and the need to suspend settlement activities in the occupied territories. A rowdy settler population and the absence of clear borders for Israel and Palestine has proved to be a formula for disaster.

Palestinians had demanded that the talks be based on a nearly universal reference, aimed at fulfilling the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders. After all, the entire world, including Israel's prime minister, had accepted the two-state solution as the basis for peace.

US president Barack Obama had supported in 2011 an independent Palestinian state on the basis of the 1967 borders (with small land swaps). The second most crucial and logical issue was that Israel should refrain from building any exclusive Jewish settlements in the areas that are meant to be part of the Palestinian state.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/no-peace-palestine-2014-201472904871414.html

[alsame]

2. He's a

neocon sociopath, just like Cheney. They really believe they can kill all their enemies. And both put their citizens in even greater danger because the more people you kill, the more enemies you create. Whack a mole strategy never works, it becomes perpetual war.

[Jefferson23]

3. Terrible leader and it's a shame because I always felt Bibi could be persuasive if he wanted to be,

for the greater good.

Welcome to the I/P group.

[Israeli]

10. Bibi first and foremost ....

..... has always been about the " greater good " of a Greater Israel ....he is a Revisionist Zionist and a follower of the ideology of Ze'ev Jabotinsky.

Dont be fooled Jefferson23 ....you are on the right path .

How Netanyahu provoked this war with Gaza

http://972mag.com/how-netanyahu-provoked-this-war-with-gaza/93200/

[Jefferson23]

11. Thank you, Israeli..hope you are well. I know he is an ass, but I felt he has

the communication skills to convey a very different vision. But of course, as you say,
that was not ever his intention..sadly.

[King_David]

5. Sometimes true but Hamas is 100% to blame for all of this. nt

[Jefferson23]

6. Where is that evidence they are behind the deaths of the teens? Bibi has not revealed his hand,

and it is long over due.

[King_David]

7. The rockets started this Gaza offensive

Against the terrorists who will be in the next Palestinian government believe it or not.

[Jefferson23]

8. That does not add up, the sequence of events don't play out that way.

Best for Bibi to show the evidence.

[King_David]

9. Yes but it makes little difference Rockets were flying before

[Jefferson23]

12. No, the time line is pretty telling and damaging for Bibi. I am not making light of Hamas'

actions since then...too many innocent people will die before this is over.

[King_David]

13. Nope I think you know that your wrong on this

Rockets were flying before the kidnapping so that particular timeline is not relevant here.

[Jefferson23]

14. Did you happen to read the OP? Recall the IDF and the shootings back in May?

Israel may not consider those deaths incitement but then again they don't consider anything they
do as incitement.

[King_David]

15. It's not relevant to this offensive

But actually is a side bar since Hamas almost certainly did the kidnapping. But this isn't as much about the kidnapping as it is stopping the mass terrorism aka rockets.

[Jefferson23]

19. Then Bibi needs to reveal the evidence. As I said, Bibi's actions and those of the IDF as well

as what occurred regarding the prisoners hunger strikes, are most certainly relevant.

Right now, Hamas is out on limb, and from Egypt's response ( which does not look promising to me)
they should back off, and quickly.

[shira]

4. What is "peace" to those who approve of Hamas' right to shoot rockets....

...at civilians?

[Scootaloo]

16. Second time in as many threads

Who are "those who approve of Hamas' right to shoot rockets at civilians?"

[Fozzledick]

17. Do you have a mirror handy?

[Scootaloo]

18. Have links handy?

[Scootaloo]

20. Hello Fozzie?

I'd like to see those links to me defending Hamas "right" to shoot rockets at civilians.