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Related: About this forumIsrael Gaza Crisis: German Protesters Chant 'Gas the Jews' in Anti-Israel Rallies
Berlin authorities have ordered pro-Gaza demonstrators to stop chanting anti-semitic messages, after protesters were reportedly heard shouting 'Gas the Jews'.
Sizeable anti-Israel rallies have been held in the German capital, with people taking to the streets allegedly chanting anti-semitic slogans. Some of the demonstrations are said to be organised by Muslim immigrants and neo-Nazi groups.
The Berlin authorities are also investigating anti-semitic behaviour by a radical Imam in the city, after a video uploaded by Israeli daily Haaretz showed an Imam calling for the obliteration of Jews, telling his followers to "kill them to the very last one".
Condemning the anti-semitism, Dieter Graumann, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, was quoted by AFP as saying: "We are currently experiencing in this country an explosion of evil and violent hatred of Jews, which shocks and dismays all of us."
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-gaza-crisis-german-protesters-chant-gas-jews-anti-israel-rallies-1457714
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Rhetoric like that is unhelpful. uncalled for, and offensive. Though I condemn Israel's actions, and believe it's very creation was a violation of Human Rights, the fact remains we are where we are, and need to find a way foreward, not backward.
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King_David
(14,851 posts)Rabbis been physically attacked , Jews beaten and Synagogues ransacked.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Do you have a link to the stories? All I've heard is protests with offensive chants, and some store windows smashed during a minor riot in France.
King_David
(14,851 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)not plural. No thread about Jews attacked. Nothing about a Synagogue ransacked. On the whole, your claim appears to be fabricated hyperbole. I'll save my outrage for when several Jewish hospitals are bombed, and when gunboats shell Jewish kids playing soccer on the beach.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Oki doki thanks for the clarity .
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...as I am when IDF targets and destroys hospitals in Gaza with artillery shells.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Or Jews in Chicago or Antwerp or Getmany have to do with anything ?
C Ya
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)The reason for Israel being the Jewish state.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)As I never excused attacking Jews everywhere.
Do you not comprehend the difference between saying an event is predictable vs saying its excusable? I guess that distinction is missing from fanatical propagandist's mental faculties.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And refuge for all Jews .
Shkaich .
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Even if Israel steals the small bit of remaining Palestinian land, there isn't enough room for all the world's Jews. Those outside will PREDICTABLY remain targets. Those inside will have to live in a fortified self-imposed prison. I don't see that as an attractive solution, but if it's what RW Jews want, then knock yourselves out.
Keep in mind the statement issued by the 1885 Convention of Rabbis: " We are not a nation, we are a religion". When actions committed by the established by decree nation threaten the well-being of the religion elsewhere, then that nation should change course, if reasonable minds prevail.
King_David
(14,851 posts)80 % if Jews vote for the Democratic Party .
And good luck with what? Israel is already the Jewish state.
I don't understand 90% of your post.
But as leftynyc said in post 41 - same goes for me.
Bye bye...
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Those who support and defend his policies are supporting RW policies. Same as anyone supporting GW Bush's policies, whether Dem, Rep, or whatever.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The Jewish people are not led by Rabbis and if Jews say they are a nation or a people wtf do you think you are to tell us any different .
It makes no difference if you give the Jewish nation your blessing or not.
And btw All these people at these protests think Jews are a nation , why else would they be attacking Jews or chanting vile antiSemitic chants or blaming Jews in general for what's happening in Gaza?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:46 PM - Edit history (1)
King_David
(14,851 posts)Pro-Palestinian youth attack two synagogues in Paris suburbs
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/world/2014/07/20/propalestinian_youth_attack_two_synagogues_in_paris_suburbs.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=71823
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468222
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468222
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)expecting anything resembling honesty from that poster, are you? Poster put it in all his/her posts - what can Jews expect because of the actions of Israel? We deserve exactly what we're getting. Fucking nauseating.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)... because I said nothing of the kind saying innocent Jews deserved it.
What I DID say was that a general Muslim reponse in retaliation to IDF targeting civilians was predictable.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Your very first post on this thread shows you care nothing about Jews getting attacked. I'm done with you.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I would think you could find a stronger word than that for disgusting bigotry.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Reading is a problem for you? And yes, the offensive chants are unhelpful to the Palestinians.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Still too mild for my taste but whatever. Even using the word unhelpful told me all I needed to know.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But not outraged by killing soccer-playing children or destroying hospitals? That tells us all we need to know.
King_David
(14,851 posts)You get that , right ?
I get it .. And that's why Israel exists , apparently Jews really are not accepted in any country it seems and this is helping to prove it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm not outraged by the deaths? Certainly not from any of my posts. And what does that have to do with what is happening all over the place with Jews who are not Israeli's and still getting attacked? Oh, that's right - it's what is EXPECTED because of Israel (according to you). You have zero credibility with me when you excuse the attacks on Jews with slogans like end the occupation. And that's all you've done on this thread so I guess I should thank you for putting all your chips on the table on this subject.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Nor are doctors, nurses, and most patients in 3 hospitals targeted and destroyed by IDF artillery shells.
My point quite simply is that Muslim retaliation against innocent Jews for IDF killing innocent Gazans was predictable.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Because it's acceptable or excusable or explainable that 7 million Jews worldwide be fair game by those who "support" the palestinians .
A refuge for when we need it.
None of this is new btw .The only new thing is using "support of Hamas or Palestinians etc " as a vehicle to make this acceptable .
It's rearing it's ugly head again in all these rally's and attacks on synagogues and Rabbis and Jews -- this time a different excuse is being used.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)... as I never said it was acceptable or excusable. I said it was predictable. Perhaps you need a dictionary? , or is your argument based solely on fabrications?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Since the start of the Gaza conflict, various pro-Palestinian demonstrators have called for violence against Jews and Israelis. This is a disgrace for Germany, writes DW's Martin Muno.
http://www.dw.de/opinion-time-to-take-a-stand/a-17800865?maca=en-rss-en-ger-1023-rdf
King_David
(14,851 posts)Any rally all over the world-- some kind of antiSemitic rants and raves . Even in the USA - Boston and Chicago.
shira
(30,109 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)any morals they have just so they can support the country Israel" I guess it should be expected.
This place sometimes.
Just in case people do not know what you referencing.
Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=71731
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...its not difficult to predict innocent Jews around the world would be targeted in retaliation.
King_David
(14,851 posts)antiZionism is AntiSemitism
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)As if any thinking person actually needed proof.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)There are sins on both sides, and all that I know is that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This sort of crap doesn't help that - it inspires it. Stop the damn hatred for a minute and look at what it is producing. The answer is nothing good for any of the parties involved.
King_David
(14,851 posts)There ain't no excuse.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and everything to do with basic, old-fashioned, everyday Jew-Hatin'. Those protestors don't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about the people of Gaza.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)If Israel fucks off out of the occupied territories, all of these bigots will have nothing to hide behind any more. Seems like a win-win situation to me.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)before the occupation would be.......what? Do you honestly think it would stop?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Then the matter is closed . I say this as probably the most pro Palestinian person here. If Israel gives the Palestinians their land back and the Palestinians fire so much as a pea shooter at them, Israel can go to town on them as far as I am concerned.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)as it's already been tried. Whether it's hamas or hezbollah, or islamic jihad, Israel will always be a target for the fanatics.
shira
(30,109 posts)1. The same bigots supported Israel's enemies against the Jews prior to 1967. Revenge for the Nakba, etc..
2. Israel did fuck off out of Gaza. The occupation ended, along with all settlements and Jews. Hamas has been attacking from the moment Israel left and the bigots have supported them all the way since.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)and I bet they do not give a shit about Palestine.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They don't have the same sort of 'free speech' setup we do, and I'm pretty sure I heard at some point that pro-Nazi type stuff was illegal there.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)It is truly horrible that anger against Israeli policies spawns attacks of any kind on Jews around the world, but it is especially awful when it happens in Germany.
And let me add, as a severe critic of current Israeli policies, that I believe there is a strong undercurrent of antisemitism in the world, and the current events in Gaza are providing some very nasty people with an excuse to unleash their nastiness against Jews elsewhere in the world. This is an even more dangerous situation than it appears to be. It scares me.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And Israeli policies are providing the gasoline and the match.