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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:39 PM Jul 2014

Israel Gaza Crisis: German Protesters Chant 'Gas the Jews' in Anti-Israel Rallies

Berlin authorities have ordered pro-Gaza demonstrators to stop chanting anti-semitic messages, after protesters were reportedly heard shouting 'Gas the Jews'.

Sizeable anti-Israel rallies have been held in the German capital, with people taking to the streets allegedly chanting anti-semitic slogans. Some of the demonstrations are said to be organised by Muslim immigrants and neo-Nazi groups.

The Berlin authorities are also investigating anti-semitic behaviour by a radical Imam in the city, after a video uploaded by Israeli daily Haaretz showed an Imam calling for the obliteration of Jews, telling his followers to "kill them to the very last one".

Condemning the anti-semitism, Dieter Graumann, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, was quoted by AFP as saying: "We are currently experiencing in this country an explosion of evil and violent hatred of Jews, which shocks and dismays all of us."

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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-gaza-crisis-german-protesters-chant-gas-jews-anti-israel-rallies-1457714

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Israel Gaza Crisis: German Protesters Chant 'Gas the Jews' in Anti-Israel Rallies (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
I applaud the German authorities. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #4
There's a lot of rhetoric like that worldwide King_David Jul 2014 #9
I haven't heard that. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #13
They posted here. In this group . King_David Jul 2014 #18
I found ONE Rabbi beaten. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #25
Jewish hospitals bombed in retaliation ? In NYC or Miami ok ? King_David Jul 2014 #28
If they were, I'd be as outraged... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #29
WTF do Jewish hospitals or synagogues in France ha King_David Jul 2014 #31
WTF do soccer-playing 10 year olds have to do with Hamas? HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #39
I see so no problem attacking Jews everywhere ? King_David Jul 2014 #43
Yet another fabrication on your part. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #45
You make a very good case for Israel as the Jewish state King_David Jul 2014 #46
Good luck with that. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #50
RW Jews ? King_David Jul 2014 #52
Netanyahu is RW. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #53
"Convention of Rabbis" King_David Jul 2014 #54
What Leftynyc said in this thread to you : +1 King_David Jul 2014 #32
Just a tiny small sampling ---Bye bye--Adios King_David Jul 2014 #30
You aren't seriously leftynyc Jul 2014 #38
Honesty from you you is a laugh... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #40
Spare me leftynyc Jul 2014 #41
+1 King_David Jul 2014 #47
+1 King_David Jul 2014 #44
Unhelpful? leftynyc Jul 2014 #19
You missed uncalled for and offensive. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #23
Nothing wrong with my reading leftynyc Jul 2014 #24
So you are outraged by chants? HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #27
Chants at GermAn Jews not even Israeli Jews King_David Jul 2014 #33
Where did you get the idea leftynyc Jul 2014 #37
Soccer-playing Palestinian children aren't Hamas either. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #42
Thanks for making the case for Israel as the Jewish state King_David Jul 2014 #48
More utter fabrication by you.... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #51
Opinion: Time to take a stand bemildred Jul 2014 #2
Seems to be a theme in just about King_David Jul 2014 #3
True face of the Palestinian Cause. n/t shira Jul 2014 #5
Well since the "majority of Jews around the world will abandon Codeine Jul 2014 #11
Yes King_David Jul 2014 #12
When Netanyahu began targeting innocent Palestinians... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #14
Just further proof that King_David Jul 2014 #17
Amen leftynyc Jul 2014 #20
This is absolutely sickening. octoberlib Jul 2014 #6
Sickening Aerows Jul 2014 #7
Another one King_David Jul 2014 #8
The "Palestinian Cause" has fuck-all to do with Palestinians Codeine Jul 2014 #10
only one way to find out shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #15
And the excuse for all the violence leftynyc Jul 2014 #21
if Israel gives back the Palestinian territories shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #34
You're going to be very disappointed leftynyc Jul 2014 #36
bullshit shira Jul 2014 #22
this is disgusting, just gives ammo to those who call pro-Palestinians anti-semites. ellenrr Jul 2014 #16
Isn't that sort of thing actually illegal in Germany? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #26
I believe that is correct. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #35
That is true. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #49
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. I applaud the German authorities.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jul 2014

Rhetoric like that is unhelpful. uncalled for, and offensive. Though I condemn Israel's actions, and believe it's very creation was a violation of Human Rights, the fact remains we are where we are, and need to find a way foreward, not backward.

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. There's a lot of rhetoric like that worldwide
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jul 2014

Rabbis been physically attacked , Jews beaten and Synagogues ransacked.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. I haven't heard that.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:15 AM
Jul 2014

Do you have a link to the stories? All I've heard is protests with offensive chants, and some store windows smashed during a minor riot in France.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. I found ONE Rabbi beaten.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jul 2014

not plural. No thread about Jews attacked. Nothing about a Synagogue ransacked. On the whole, your claim appears to be fabricated hyperbole. I'll save my outrage for when several Jewish hospitals are bombed, and when gunboats shell Jewish kids playing soccer on the beach.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. If they were, I'd be as outraged...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jul 2014

...as I am when IDF targets and destroys hospitals in Gaza with artillery shells.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
31. WTF do Jewish hospitals or synagogues in France ha
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jul 2014

Or Jews in Chicago or Antwerp or Getmany have to do with anything ?

C Ya

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
45. Yet another fabrication on your part.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jul 2014

As I never excused attacking Jews everywhere.

Do you not comprehend the difference between saying an event is predictable vs saying its excusable? I guess that distinction is missing from fanatical propagandist's mental faculties.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
50. Good luck with that.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jul 2014

Even if Israel steals the small bit of remaining Palestinian land, there isn't enough room for all the world's Jews. Those outside will PREDICTABLY remain targets. Those inside will have to live in a fortified self-imposed prison. I don't see that as an attractive solution, but if it's what RW Jews want, then knock yourselves out.

Keep in mind the statement issued by the 1885 Convention of Rabbis: " We are not a nation, we are a religion". When actions committed by the established by decree nation threaten the well-being of the religion elsewhere, then that nation should change course, if reasonable minds prevail.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
52. RW Jews ?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

80 % if Jews vote for the Democratic Party .

And good luck with what? Israel is already the Jewish state.

I don't understand 90% of your post.

But as leftynyc said in post 41 - same goes for me.


Bye bye...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
53. Netanyahu is RW.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jul 2014

Those who support and defend his policies are supporting RW policies. Same as anyone supporting GW Bush's policies, whether Dem, Rep, or whatever.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
54. "Convention of Rabbis"
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jul 2014

The Jewish people are not led by Rabbis and if Jews say they are a nation or a people wtf do you think you are to tell us any different .

It makes no difference if you give the Jewish nation your blessing or not.

And btw All these people at these protests think Jews are a nation , why else would they be attacking Jews or chanting vile antiSemitic chants or blaming Jews in general for what's happening in Gaza?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. You aren't seriously
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jul 2014

expecting anything resembling honesty from that poster, are you? Poster put it in all his/her posts - what can Jews expect because of the actions of Israel? We deserve exactly what we're getting. Fucking nauseating.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
40. Honesty from you you is a laugh...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jul 2014

... because I said nothing of the kind saying innocent Jews deserved it.
What I DID say was that a general Muslim reponse in retaliation to IDF targeting civilians was predictable.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. Spare me
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jul 2014

Your very first post on this thread shows you care nothing about Jews getting attacked. I'm done with you.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
23. You missed uncalled for and offensive.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jul 2014

Reading is a problem for you? And yes, the offensive chants are unhelpful to the Palestinians.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. Nothing wrong with my reading
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jul 2014

Still too mild for my taste but whatever. Even using the word unhelpful told me all I needed to know.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. So you are outraged by chants?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jul 2014

But not outraged by killing soccer-playing children or destroying hospitals? That tells us all we need to know.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
33. Chants at GermAn Jews not even Israeli Jews
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jul 2014

You get that , right ?

I get it .. And that's why Israel exists , apparently Jews really are not accepted in any country it seems and this is helping to prove it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. Where did you get the idea
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jul 2014

I'm not outraged by the deaths? Certainly not from any of my posts. And what does that have to do with what is happening all over the place with Jews who are not Israeli's and still getting attacked? Oh, that's right - it's what is EXPECTED because of Israel (according to you). You have zero credibility with me when you excuse the attacks on Jews with slogans like end the occupation. And that's all you've done on this thread so I guess I should thank you for putting all your chips on the table on this subject.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
42. Soccer-playing Palestinian children aren't Hamas either.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jul 2014

Nor are doctors, nurses, and most patients in 3 hospitals targeted and destroyed by IDF artillery shells.

My point quite simply is that Muslim retaliation against innocent Jews for IDF killing innocent Gazans was predictable.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
48. Thanks for making the case for Israel as the Jewish state
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jul 2014

Because it's acceptable or excusable or explainable that 7 million Jews worldwide be fair game by those who "support" the palestinians .

A refuge for when we need it.

None of this is new btw .The only new thing is using "support of Hamas or Palestinians etc " as a vehicle to make this acceptable .

It's rearing it's ugly head again in all these rally's and attacks on synagogues and Rabbis and Jews -- this time a different excuse is being used.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
51. More utter fabrication by you....
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

... as I never said it was acceptable or excusable. I said it was predictable. Perhaps you need a dictionary? , or is your argument based solely on fabrications?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Opinion: Time to take a stand
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jul 2014

Since the start of the Gaza conflict, various pro-Palestinian demonstrators have called for violence against Jews and Israelis. This is a disgrace for Germany, writes DW's Martin Muno.

http://www.dw.de/opinion-time-to-take-a-stand/a-17800865?maca=en-rss-en-ger-1023-rdf

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. Seems to be a theme in just about
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jul 2014

Any rally all over the world-- some kind of antiSemitic rants and raves . Even in the USA - Boston and Chicago.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
11. Well since the "majority of Jews around the world will abandon
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jul 2014

any morals they have just so they can support the country Israel" I guess it should be expected.

This place sometimes.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. When Netanyahu began targeting innocent Palestinians...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jul 2014

...its not difficult to predict innocent Jews around the world would be targeted in retaliation.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. Sickening
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jul 2014

There are sins on both sides, and all that I know is that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This sort of crap doesn't help that - it inspires it. Stop the damn hatred for a minute and look at what it is producing. The answer is nothing good for any of the parties involved.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
10. The "Palestinian Cause" has fuck-all to do with Palestinians
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jul 2014

and everything to do with basic, old-fashioned, everyday Jew-Hatin'. Those protestors don't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about the people of Gaza.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
15. only one way to find out
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:51 AM
Jul 2014

If Israel fucks off out of the occupied territories, all of these bigots will have nothing to hide behind any more. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. And the excuse for all the violence
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jul 2014

before the occupation would be.......what? Do you honestly think it would stop?

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
34. if Israel gives back the Palestinian territories
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jul 2014

Then the matter is closed . I say this as probably the most pro Palestinian person here. If Israel gives the Palestinians their land back and the Palestinians fire so much as a pea shooter at them, Israel can go to town on them as far as I am concerned.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. You're going to be very disappointed
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jul 2014

as it's already been tried. Whether it's hamas or hezbollah, or islamic jihad, Israel will always be a target for the fanatics.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. bullshit
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jul 2014

1. The same bigots supported Israel's enemies against the Jews prior to 1967. Revenge for the Nakba, etc..

2. Israel did fuck off out of Gaza. The occupation ended, along with all settlements and Jews. Hamas has been attacking from the moment Israel left and the bigots have supported them all the way since.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
16. this is disgusting, just gives ammo to those who call pro-Palestinians anti-semites.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:07 AM
Jul 2014

and I bet they do not give a shit about Palestine.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Isn't that sort of thing actually illegal in Germany?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jul 2014

They don't have the same sort of 'free speech' setup we do, and I'm pretty sure I heard at some point that pro-Nazi type stuff was illegal there.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
35. I believe that is correct.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jul 2014

It is truly horrible that anger against Israeli policies spawns attacks of any kind on Jews around the world, but it is especially awful when it happens in Germany.

And let me add, as a severe critic of current Israeli policies, that I believe there is a strong undercurrent of antisemitism in the world, and the current events in Gaza are providing some very nasty people with an excuse to unleash their nastiness against Jews elsewhere in the world. This is an even more dangerous situation than it appears to be. It scares me.

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