Israel/Palestine
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Even if the Palestinians agree that their state have no army or weapons, who can guarantee that a Palestinian army would not be mustered later to encamp at the gates of Jerusalem and the approaches to the (coastal) lowlands.
Shimon Peres
In principle there are two categories of two-staters: (a) Those who insist that in their version of a two-state solution, secure/defensible borders for Israel are an indispensable imperative; and (b) Those for whom secure/defensible borders appear to be consideration of minorif anysignificance in their vision of the two-state arrangement.
Arguably one of the most eminent spokesmen for the first category is Harvards Alan Dershowitz; while the second category includes figures such as Peter Beinart, and groups such as J-Street and the Geneva initiative, endorsing the Obama-prescription that the frontiers of the Palestinian state be based on the indefensible 1967-lines with agreed (read minor/cosmetic) land swaps.
An arrow-head aimed at Israels very heart with all the force of the Arab world behind.
These words, conveying the danger entailed in the establishment of a Palestinian state, are not those of a radical right-wing rejectionist, but of 2006 Israel Prize (Law) laureate, Prof. Amnon Rubinstein, who served as an MK and education ministerfor the dovish Meretz party.
They are of course very apt, for as I have reiterated in previous columns, any territorial configuration even remotely acceptable to even the most moderate of Palestinians would allow them topographical command the all of the following: Most major airfields in the country (civilian and military) including the only international airport;
[font color = "red"] Major sea ports and naval bases;
Vital infrastructure systems/installations;
The sweet water system;
Main land (road and rail) transportation axes including the Trans-Israel Highway;
Principal power plants;
The nations parliament, crucial centers of government and military command;
Eighty percent of the civilian population and of the commercial activity in the country.[/font]
All of these would be in range of weapons being used today against Israel from territory transferred to Palestinian controlmaking the notion of demilitarization largely irrelevant (something on which I will elaborate in a future column)
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Swede
(33,203 posts)Every day the schools could not open. Until this can somehow be eliminated,there will be no Palestine.
shira
(30,109 posts)Otherwise, Israel isn't interested in peace.
When Israel allows tens of thousands to be killed, maybe others will finally understand what Israelis have feared all along WRT ending the occupation.
Maybe.
Nah, probably not. They should just take it. For the "sins" of the last 60 years. Tens of thousands dead is the price to pay. The warmongering Israelis should have agreed to their own suicide a long time ago.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)because unless yuou believe that then you ignore and overlook the very fact that IDF would in a blink invade and lock down the entire West Bank, but what makes this scenario even more ridculous is that the same people that proclaim the sky would fall also want to leave the PA unable to control the militants within its borders why is that?
shira
(30,109 posts)...and most of Israel needs to shut down on a daily basis?
Anything?
Obviously, the PLO can control the militants if they want. So can Hamas. They both did so when Israel withdrew from Gaza. Not one rocket.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and here we run into a bit paradox your OP on the one hand complains about Palestinians "armed to the teeth" and wants them disarmed but then you claim they can control militants "if they want" so which is it?
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... missiles fired indiscriminately at civilians in YOUR country constitutes all Hell breaking loose?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)how about yours?
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... exactly how many Israelis are occupying / colonizing Gaza?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)at the moment frequent incursions and total control over air and water but no not an actual occupation at all
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)What leads you to believe that the West Bank without Israeli military control won't turn into another Gaza?