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Gurgen4

(39 posts)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:12 AM Apr 2012

Modern Anti-Semitism Has Found a Good Cause

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lilac-sigan/modern-antisemitism-has-f_b_1370508.html

The serial killer in France that shot 3 little children coming out of school, one of them an 8-year-old girl that was grabbed by her hair and shot in the head to make sure she was really dead, just wanted justice. As far as he's concerned, he was "avenging the deaths of Palestinian children," and he did it by murdering some Jews.

Is this some kind of novelty? Not really. For one reason or another, anti-Semitism has been around for more than 2,000 years. But let's not go back that far into history -- in the past century, Jews have suffered discrimination, pogroms, demonic rumors that everyone believed, and of course -- the Holocaust. What's happening today is just another wave in a sea of hatred that has been around for very long.


1. It's awful when Palestinian children get killed, but many choose not to understand what's behind the other side of the fence. Hamas uses children as human shields -- it shoots at Israeli cities from schools, hospitals and kindergartens. Hamas teaches toddlers to wear suicide bombs and makes them believe blowing themselves up in public places is noble and holy. These children are used to armed fighting from a very young age, but no one seems to be bothered about children being used as an army. Why?

2. Israeli peace offers have been rejected by the Palestinian leaders time and time again. Generous peace offers for 96 percent of all the territories in question and equal land-swaps for the rest, have been offered to the Palestinian leaders at least two times. Is it really a state they want? Because they could have had one long ago.

3. In 1948, after Israel had been invaded by all its neighboring Arab countries that wanted its annihilation before it was even born, as a result of the war, about 600,000 refugees fled into neighboring Arab countries. At the very same time, about 600,000 Jews were expelled penniless from neighboring Arab countries and settled in Jewish Israel. They never went back or asked for any of their property. The Palestinian refugees, on the other hand, never became citizens in countries such as Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and are being discriminated there by law until today. No one seems to care about their situation.

4. The worst breaches of human rights towards Palestinians are made by their own regime: Gaza is ruled by Sharia law, meaning women can be murdered for the honor of the family, thieves get their arms chopped off, and executions are no big deal. During the years of terrible rivalry between Hamas and PLO, Palestinians were lynched, tortured and executed without trials by their own regime. Their rights are breached in terrible ways in the neighboring countries, as well. But all we ever hear about is how Israel breaches Palestinian human rights, all the while forgetting to mention that their leaders have made Israel their declared enemy.
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Modern Anti-Semitism Has Found a Good Cause (Original Post) Gurgen4 Apr 2012 OP
This is so full of crap TomClash Apr 2012 #1
Is that because it's not really full of crap and it's actually true? Gurgen4 Apr 2012 #2
I think its a matter of both sides not being innocent. rbixby Apr 2012 #3
The OP happens to be very true. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #4
The OP happens to be absolute bullshit shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #13
no one ever talks about about Jews expelled from Arab countries? well no one except the US House azurnoir Apr 2012 #14
If it's so full of crap, start somewhere and make your case. n/t shira Apr 2012 #5
I don't have to TomClash Apr 2012 #6
Well, that was helpful Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #7
In other words, you've got nothing. As expected. n/t shira Apr 2012 #8
No, I have plenty TomClash Apr 2012 #9
Strange reasoning , King_David Apr 2012 #10
I know you are ... but what am I? NT holdencaufield Apr 2012 #11
There are quite a few lies in this post, but it pays to point out a few... shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #12
where do you get these facts from? Shaktimaan Apr 2012 #15
The OP stated that in 1948 600,000 Arab Jews were expelled from their respective countries azurnoir Apr 2012 #16
As I've said previously, I generally consider you at least halfway reasonable shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #25
Thank you. Shaktimaan Apr 2012 #26
re shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #27
That's a really silly article... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #17
Seems you chose not to read what the article really said... shira Apr 2012 #18
Not at all. I'm just not a blinded pro-Israel zealot who'd fall for that crap... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #21
You don't get it or you're pretending not to... shira Apr 2012 #22
Oh I get that you said propalestinians are antisemites Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #23
everything you list would in large part be alleiveated by a Palestinian state azurnoir Apr 2012 #24
From Arabic Media: More proof that most Palestinian supporters just hate Israel.... shira Apr 2012 #19
it sounds as if the Jordanians are refusing Iraqi refugees from Syria too azurnoir Apr 2012 #20
 

Gurgen4

(39 posts)
2. Is that because it's not really full of crap and it's actually true?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:16 AM
Apr 2012

Whenever confronted with facts anti-Israeli propagandists always get a bit nervous and start pointing fingers.

rbixby

(1,140 posts)
3. I think its a matter of both sides not being innocent.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:57 AM
Apr 2012

People have never played nice with their neighbors in that part of the world, and it seems like neither side ever wants to back down long enough to do anything besides making a second term president look like they brokered peace in the middle east.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. The OP happens to be very true.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:29 PM
Apr 2012

I have met so many Jewish people who were expelled from communities in the Middle East in which they had lived for many, many generations.

No one ever talks about that. No one acknowledges it, but it makes it virtually impossible to ever make up to the Jewish people what was taken from them in the changes following WWII.

Israel has shown its readiness to leave the so-called occupied territories, but Palestinians have not proved their readiness to live in peace with their neighbors. That is why efforts toward peace have failed in spite of the well meaning and peace-ready people on both sides. The Palestinians have to control their extremists. There can be no peace until each side can live safely within agreed treaty terms.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. no one ever talks about about Jews expelled from Arab countries? well no one except the US House
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:29 PM
Apr 2012

House Resolution 185, a resolution I authored and that was passed by the House in April, at long last recognizes Jewish refugees from Arab countries. This is not just about a forgotten chapter of history.

For centuries, long before the advent of Islam and long after it, Jewish communities lived peacefully and often prosperously and productively in Arab lands among Arab people. Their forced relocation and the material value they lost when they were compelled to abandon their homes and other properties in Arab countries has never been addressed.

For example, in Iraq, a community of 150,000 in 1948 has dwindles to around 10 today. In Egypt, a community of 75,000 in 1945 has became between 50 and 100 today. In Yemen and Aden, 63,000 in 1948 has became 200 in 2003. Of 140,000 Jews who lived in Tunisia in 1948, less than 100 remain in 2004.

While the plight of Palestinian refugees is well known throughout the world and has been a major element in every Arab-Israeli peace plan and negotiation, the plight of these Jewish refugees is rarely mentioned these days. Nevertheless, numerous international agreements pertaining to the Arab-Israeli conflict have been codified with the rights of the Jewish refugees in mind. U.N. Security Council Resolution 242, passed on November 22, 1967, after the Six Day War, calls for a just settlement to the refugee problem without limiting that problem to Palestinians.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=441

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
9. No, I have plenty
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:26 PM
Apr 2012

I would just rather not repeat it for the thousandth time.

If you want to see someone who has nothing . . . some people might suggest a mirror . . .

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
12. There are quite a few lies in this post, but it pays to point out a few...
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
Apr 2012
In 1948, after Israel had been invaded by all its neighboring Arab countries that wanted its annihilation before it was even born


The logical inconsistency here is fairly obvious - its pretty hard to invade a country "before it is even born". The Arab countries crossed into Palestine on the 15th of May, 1948. The State of Israel was proclaimed on the 26th of May, 1948. You could accuse the Arab armies of invading Palestine but you could hardly accuse them of invading Israel, since it did not exist at the relevant time.

And of course, if you wanted to paint the Arab volunteers who crossed into Palestine to fight alongside the Arabs as invaders, you would also have to characterise the Jewish volunteers who entered Palestine to fight alongside the Yishuv as the same.

Generous peace offers for 96 percent of all the territories in question and equal land-swaps for the rest.


No such offer was ever made. The most generous offer made by any Israeli was Ehud Olmert's offer, which offered between 93 and 94% of the West Bank.

At the very same time, about 600,000 Jews were expelled penniless from neighboring Arab countries and settled in Jewish Israel.


This is false. The largest part of those Jews came from Morocco, which actually tried to prevent them from leaving. Only in Iraq could the departure of the Jewish population be termed an expulsion. Likewise, it is false to assume that they were left "penniless". Many Jews actually retain their property in Morocco as absentee landlords, whereas the Palestinian Arabs for the most part simply had their lands confiscated.

The Palestinian refugees, on the other hand, never became citizens in countries such as Jordan,


This is simply false. More than one-third of Jordan's citizens are Palestinian refugees or their descendants.

The worst breaches of human rights towards Palestinians are made by their own regime: Gaza is ruled by Sharia law, meaning women can be murdered for the honor of the family, thieves get their arms chopped off


Again, this is simply a lie. The only people in Gaza with their hands missing are those maimed and killed by Israeli air strikes:-



So in essence, this story is simply a distillation of good old American, racist, anti-Arab bile. Just the thing for the supposedly "liberal" Huffington post.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
15. where do you get these facts from?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:06 AM
Apr 2012
And of course, if you wanted to paint the Arab volunteers who crossed into Palestine to fight alongside the Arabs as invaders, you would also have to characterise the Jewish volunteers who entered Palestine to fight alongside the Yishuv as the same.

Why? Their motivations were totally different. Israel was fighting an entirely defensive war against several Arab states. THAT is the issue. Portraying those fighters as mere Arab volunteers coming to assist the Palestinians is to ignore the historical reality.

The most generous offer made by any Israeli was Ehud Olmert's offer, which offered between 93 and 94% of the West Bank.

Depending on how you calculate it it can be either. (Are we including bodies of water, for example?) Regardless, your assertion that the OP was lying based on a 2% difference in land calculations is hardly firm ground to argue from.

This is false. The largest part of those Jews came from Morocco, which actually tried to prevent them from leaving. Only in Iraq could the departure of the Jewish population be termed an expulsion. Likewise, it is false to assume that they were left "penniless". Many Jews actually retain their property in Morocco as absentee landlords, whereas the Palestinian Arabs for the most part simply had their lands confiscated.

This is the worst falsehood you wrote. In states like Algeria, Bahrain, Libya, Morocco, Yemen, Sudan and Syria there was anti-Jewish rioting, massacres and pogroms that instigated Jewish emigration. Egyptian Jews were arrested en masse, their businesses were confiscated, and their homes were torched. Those who left were allowed a single suitcase and a small amount of cash. They were forced to "donate" everything else to the state.

In Morocco, the government did not "try to prevent them from leaving", (as you so perversely put it), they were forbidden from leaving. Please note the difference. Following the massacres many Jews desired to leave but were prevented to benefit the interests of the state, NOT the interests of the Jewish people in question, who still experienced anti-semitic hostility.

In 1948, about 38,000 Jews lived in Libya. A series of pogroms started in Tripoli in November 1945; over a period of several days more than 130 Jews (including 36 children) were killed, hundreds were injured, 4,000 were left homeless, and 2,400 were reduced to poverty. Five synagogues in Tripoli and four in provincial towns were destroyed, and over 1,000 Jewish residences and commercial buildings were plundered in Tripoli alone. The pogroms continued in June 1948, when 15 Jews were killed and 280 Jewish homes destroyed.


This is simply false. More than one-third of Jordan's citizens are Palestinian refugees or their descendants.

You're right. The OP was wrong about Jordan. But it was right about every other state, a fact you distinctly avoided.

Again, this is simply a lie. The only people in Gaza with their hands missing are those maimed and killed by Israeli air strikes.

Are you seriously going to try and deny the brutality that Hamas routinely uses against its citizenry?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. The OP stated that in 1948 600,000 Arab Jews were expelled from their respective countries
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:09 AM
Apr 2012

oh and no one ever says anything about it, that last part I covered in small part above but on that 600,000 in 1948 perhaps she's confusing Jews from Arab countries with Palestinian Arabs because

From 1948 until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972.[1][2][3] Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries.[4] However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War. By 2002 Jews from Arab countries and their descendants constituted almost half of Israel's population.[3]

This page was last modified on 24 March 2012 at 07:57.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

and when they arrived in Israel they found that around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs had 'graciously' vacated their homes just for them

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
25. As I've said previously, I generally consider you at least halfway reasonable
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
Apr 2012

unlike other participants on this board, who, for example, maintain that a Jewish-only settlement run by the Jewish National Fund that seeks to lease land exclusively to Jews is not, in fact, a Jewish-only settlement by virtue of the fact that an Arab might be able to successfully petition the Supreme Court of Israel in order to be allowed to lease land in the said settlement. So with that in mind, I will attempt to deal with your concerns as fully as I can.

Why? Their motivations were totally different. Portraying those fighters as mere Arab volunteers coming to assist the Palestinians is to ignore the historical reality.


I can't really speak for the motivations of every individual that participated in the war of 1948, but I am not sure that it makes a difference. The invasion of Iraq by the US was an invasion notwithstanding that the US went there with the best of intentions. Whether you invade a country to steal its oil or to let a hundred flowers bloom it is still an invasion.

As I maintained previously, it is difficult to see how the Arab countries could have "invaded" Israel since it did not exist in any meaningful sense. Whether they can be said to have invaded Palestine at all is a moot question in itself, as the crossing was essentially at the invitation of the majority of the residents of Palestine.

Depending on how you calculate it it can be either. (Are we including bodies of water, for example?)


Yes, we are. About 3% of the West Bank is the northwest quarter of the Dead Sea. Olmert's offer was the most generous at 93%, the best offer from Ehud Barak was significantly less generous and Netanyahu's most recent offer was even less generous than that. Accordingly it is false to state that the Palestinians have received "offers" of 96% of the West Bank.

This is the worst falsehood you wrote. In states like Algeria, Bahrain, Libya, Morocco, Yemen, Sudan and Syria there was anti-Jewish rioting, massacres and pogroms that instigated Jewish emigration.


Its not a falsehood at all. The only state in 1948 to expel Jews was Iraq. There were certainly other states in which Jews were killed, for that matter there were anti-Jewish riots in Britain following the lynching of two British officers by Jewish terrorists in Palestine, but this does not amount to an expulsion. I would also concede that Egypt effectively sought to expel its Jewish population following the Lavon affair and Suez Crisis in 1956, but that was not for some time later.

In Morocco, the government did not "try to prevent them from leaving", (as you so perversely put it), they were forbidden from leaving.


One is entirely consistent with the other. On the other hand, forbidding Jews from leaving and expelling them are entirely inconsistent with one another, and the OP in this regard is simply a lie.

Are you seriously going to try and deny the brutality that Hamas routinely uses against its citizenry?


The OP made a very specific allegation that is untrue.





Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
26. Thank you.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:54 AM
Apr 2012

I appreciate that. I consider myself reasonable as well.

As I maintained previously, it is difficult to see how the Arab countries could have "invaded" Israel since it did not exist in any meaningful sense. Whether they can be said to have invaded Palestine at all is a moot question in itself, as the crossing was essentially at the invitation of the majority of the residents of Palestine.

Of course it existed. Israel claimed independence on May 14th, before the Arabs invaded. Besides that, you're ignoring the reality of the situation. A civil war had just ended between the Jews and Arabs. A war begun by the Arabs to protest the partition agreement that the Jews accepted. The Arab states were invading in order to, in the words of Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: "It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the Crusades."

If they were invited by the majority of Palestine's population, into the country for the purpose of ethnically cleansing the Jewish population then I would posit that their invasion was not in fact legal. It was a war they initiated, as Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948: "The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight."

Accordingly it is false to state that the Palestinians have received "offers" of 96% of the West Bank.

No one did. It was 96% of the territory. Including, one presumes, Gaza.

There were certainly other states in which Jews were killed, for that matter there were anti-Jewish riots in Britain following the lynching of two British officers by Jewish terrorists in Palestine, but this does not amount to an expulsion.

By this benchmark, neither were the Palestinians expelled from Palestine/Israel. Certainly Israel still has plenty of Arabs while the Arab world has pitifully few Jews. Were the Libyan Jews so excited to abandon their lives and property, allowed only a suitcase and $50, for some reason other than fear? Because there nearly two hundred Jews were murdered with the government's tacit support. In Britain no one was killed and the police intervened to protect Jewish property, eventually.

One is entirely consistent with the other. On the other hand, forbidding Jews from leaving and expelling them are entirely inconsistent with one another, and the OP in this regard is simply a lie.

Both indicate oppression and a lack of liberty. The difference between expulsion and oppression is nominal. Fleeing a state out of fear versus being forcibly expelled is a distinction without difference.

The OP made a very specific allegation that is untrue.

Did it? Honor killings have shot up since Hamas took over Gaza. And their renewed penal codes allow for the removal of hands from thieves. It may not have happened in Gaza yet, but the author's description of what Sharia law entails is entirely accurate.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
27. re
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:34 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:42 AM - Edit history (1)

Of course it existed. Israel claimed independence on May 14th, before the Arabs invaded.


If that is the criterion, then the State of Palestine has existed since 1988 when the Palestinians declared independence.

By this benchmark, neither were the Palestinians expelled from Palestine/Israel.


The more-or-less accepted version of events is that some of the Palestinians were expelled, and others fled for fear of their lives.

"It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the Crusades."


Ah yes, we have come to the reciting of the quotes, that time-honoured and ancient institution on the I/P board. As is our wont, I will respond to your quote with another quote, and so on. Here it is:-

"The partition of the Homeland is illegal . It will never be recognized.The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever" - Menachem Begin, 1948.

No one did. It was 96% of the territory. Including, one presumes, Gaza.


Except that it wasnt. I erred in writing the "West Bank" - obviously the percentages refer to all the 1967 territories.

It may not have happened in Gaza yet, but the author's description of what Sharia law entails is entirely accurate.


The OP made a specific allegation - "Hamas cuts off the hands of thieves" - that is untrue.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
17. That's a really silly article...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:19 AM
Apr 2012

She's strongly implying that to support the Palestinian people is to be antisemitic, which is a totally untrue argument I've seen peddled by the RW types in the US.

The rest is yr typical zealots repeat-it-by-rote nonsense. Here's a quick summary...

1. Forget about those Palestinian children that Israel kills. I think I spotted a photo online of a toddler in a suicide-vest! Let's expand on that!

2. The Palestinians don't want a state. They want to kill Jews!


3. The refugees she likes balance out the refugees she detests if she just closes her eyes tight and pretends their situations are the same...

4. Israel violates the human rights of Palestinians? Look! Over there! Someone else does it, so why talk about Israel?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Seems you chose not to read what the article really said...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:59 AM
Apr 2012
She's strongly implying that to support the Palestinian people is to be antisemitic, which is a totally untrue argument I've seen peddled by the RW types in the US.

She's not implying any such thing. She's point out obvious antisemitic hypocrisy...

It's awful when Palestinian children get killed, but many choose not to understand what's behind the other side of the fence. Hamas uses children as human shields -- it shoots at Israeli cities from schools, hospitals and kindergartens. Hamas teaches toddlers to wear suicide bombs and makes them believe blowing themselves up in public places is noble and holy. These children are used to armed fighting from a very young age, [font color = "red"]but no one seems to be bothered about children being used as an army. Why?[/font]


It's pretty damned obvious that many so-called supporters of Palestinians choose to ignore the above. Why do they do this if they're so concerned about Palestinian children?

The rest is yr typical zealots repeat-it-by-rote nonsense. Here's a quick summary...

1. Forget about those Palestinian children that Israel kills. I think I spotted a photo online of a toddler in a suicide-vest! Let's expand on that!


That's not it at all. The question is WHY aren't supporters of Palestinians concerned at all about those toddlers in suicide vests, or children used in the army, children used as human shields?

2. The Palestinians don't want a state. They want to kill Jews!

When Israel accepted the Clinton Initiatives in 2000, that would have given the Palestinians a state on nearly 100% of the pre-67' territories. No more occupation/settlements. Arafat chose Intifada 2 (killing Jews) as a response. Simple fact. Do you need to see dozens more disgusting PMW videos that show what the intentions of the Palestinian leadership are?

3. The refugees she likes balance out the refugees she detests if she just closes her eyes tight and pretends their situations are the same...

Again, she's pointing to the hypocrisy of Palestinian "supporters". The supporters don't care about refugees in Lebanon, for example, suffering under genuine apartheid. WHY? The reason is clear. They don't support Palestinians. They hate Jews and love to blame Palestinian misery on Israel. They couldn't care less about Palestinian misery anywhere else. As for Jewish refugees, they get less than 1% of the coverage that Palestinian refugees get. Why?

4. Israel violates the human rights of Palestinians? Look! Over there! Someone else does it, so why talk about Israel?

The question is why Palestinian supporters don't talk about Palestinian suffering that is far worse under Hamas control, or in Lebanon. What kind of Palestinian supporters choose to ignore those situations for Palestinians (far worse than what they suffer via Israel) but focus only on Palestinian suffering when Israel can be blamed? Antisemites who don't care about Palestinians but only bashing Jews, that's who. David Duke and Gilad Atzmon are prime examples of modern day sanctimonious bigots.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
21. Not at all. I'm just not a blinded pro-Israel zealot who'd fall for that crap...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:54 PM
Apr 2012

Yr just repeating the exact same crap she said....

The supporters don't care about refugees in Lebanon, for example, suffering under genuine apartheid. WHY? The reason is clear. They don't support Palestinians. They hate Jews and love to blame Palestinian misery on Israel.

And claiming that being pro-Palestinian means hating Jews is exactly what I said in my reaction to the OP she was saying. Thanks for confirming that. Do you realise how utterly untrue and nasty it is to accuse people of being antisemities because they support the Palestinian people?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. You don't get it or you're pretending not to...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:40 PM
Apr 2012

And there's simply no way people who support Palestinians can continue to intentionally ignore/deny/explain away what's going on in Gaza under Hamas, in Lebanon (apartheid), or right now at the Syria/Jordan border (where only Palestinians are being turned away by Jordan).

Whenever it's brought up by your opponents, you accuse them of whataboutery (look over there). But the problem isn't us, it's Palestine's alleged supporters who say they are pro-Palestinian when they're not. We're not the ones selling ourselves as awesome Palestinian supporters.

Show us you care just as much about Palestinians in the above situations (where Israel cannot be blamed) and that would be convincing. As it is, there's no question it's all about bashing Israel.

If it wasn't about bashing Israel, then pigs like Gilad Atzmon wouldn't still be popular with groups like the ISM, FGM, or GM4J. Some of the most vile (infamous) anti-Semites around the globe were stinking up the GM4J just days ago. Not a peep from the "anti-racist" crowd.

It's about bashing Israel.

It's not about supporting Palestinians.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
23. Oh I get that you said propalestinians are antisemites
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:15 PM
Apr 2012

Thats an incredibly ugly and untrue thing to say and just displays for everyone to see that there are people even here at DU who do accuse people of being antisemites because they support the Palestinian people.

I'm not sure why you insist on referring to yrself as 'us'. Speak for yrself and don't pretend yr speaking for anyone else. As for showing you I care, next time anpalestinian child is killed I'll follow your lead and only express outrage if they were killed by Palestinians.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
24. everything you list would in large part be alleiveated by a Palestinian state
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:20 PM
Apr 2012

there is no pretense at least on the part of myself or VC now if you want to look at pretense go down thread a bit where 'someone' posted an article from some Arab newspaper about Jordan only allowing Syrian refugees from Syria in and claimed that it proved that those who support Palestinians really only hate Israel or some such mess, when indeed a quick read says that it was not just Palestinians refugees from Syria that were not being allowed into Jordan it was Iraqi refugees from Syria too, perhaps we should take a glance at how many refugees Jordan is already hosting

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. From Arabic Media: More proof that most Palestinian supporters just hate Israel....
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:44 AM
Apr 2012

...and don't really support Palestinians (unless Israel can be blamed).


17 for the entry of Palestinian refugees residing in Syria

09/04/2012
Arabs today - Raddad Qallab ...
Government sources said that 17 people were informed of the Palestinian refugees in Syria have entered into the Kingdom, and the reservation for them in a Syrian refugee camps sheltering.

She stressed that these people got rid of documents that they hold what is, according to source described "a dangerous precedent for the Jordanian government, especially the number of Palestinian refugees in Syria of 480 thousand refugees," pointing out that their incomes were smuggling through the "check" in the area Shalala, located on the triangle Jordanian Syrian Palestinian versus the Sea of ​​Galilee.

The sources said the government is considering a proposal by creating a buffer zone border agreement with the Syrian government and under the supervision of the United Nations to house Palestinian refugees in the Syrian case the flow of large numbers of them towards the Kingdom, along the lines of the buffer zone of Palestinian refugees in Iraq.

On the other hand the number of Syrians who have entered the kingdom since the protests began in Syria, and until last week (95) thousand Syrians of them (7800) registered with the UNHCR High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and (2500) awaiting action registered, while emphasizes the security authorities of Jordan not to enter any Iraqi refugees resident in Syria to Jordan, and that the government was bullying in preventing the entry of Iraqi refugees residing in Syria to Jordan, according to several sources from the Interior Ministry and border points.

The sources added that the numbers of Syrians entering the kingdom's territory across the border Shalala and through intermediaries (traffickers) in exchange for money to smuggle them paying by check, noting that the rugged topography and weak oversight of the process to facilitate smuggling in the region.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alarabalyawm.net%2Fpages.php%3Fnews_id%3D366991

To summarize.

Jordan has taken in 95,000 Syrian refugees but they are refusing to take in any Palestinian refugees. The UN is helping Jordan create a buffer zone that will keep Palestinian refugees out of Jordan, while Syrian refugees are allowed in. Syria did the same thing a few years ago when Palestinian refugees were refused entry into Syria. The crooked UN helped Syria out at that time too.

Palestinians have to fend for themselves. If Assad's military wipes them out, so be it. The UN will see to it that they don't find refuge in Jordan.

And we thought the UN was pro-Palestinian with all those resolutions vs. Israel?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
20. it sounds as if the Jordanians are refusing Iraqi refugees from Syria too
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:59 AM
Apr 2012

along with Palestinian refugee from Syria, did that slip by you? However it should be noted that Iraqi refugees are in somewhat the same boat as Palestinian refugees when it comes to Arab countries,

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?hl=en&q=http://kms1.isn.ethz.ch/serviceengine/Files/ISN/99719/ipublicationdocument_singledocument/e89b2fb3-8155-475b-8165-30923fd1852f/en/No_04_Iraqi_Refugees.pdf&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm3-9AXFtglKVCpLm9GToaIRrU7ruQ&oi=scholarr

why do you only mention the Palestinian refugee's ? why not not the Iraqi refugee's that face the same sort of discrimination?

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