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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 08:34 PM Aug 2014

Israelis near Gaza again feel abandoned by their government

August 25, 2014

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In the early days of Operation Protective Edge, representatives of the Finance Ministry approached the Center for Regional Councils and asked how much it would cost to evacuate approximately 3,000 people who live in near-Gaza communities, along the border with the Gaza Strip. These communities, mainly kibbutzim, are euphemistically called “mortar communities.” In less polite terms, they are cannon fodder for the campaign in Gaza.

Unlike towns and villages in the center of the country, which receive a 60- to 90-second warning before incoming rocket fire, these communities get just 15 seconds at best from the moment the siren goes off until a mortar shell lands. In the worst case, they barely get three seconds.

As chairman of the Center for Regional Councils, Shmuel Rifman wasted no time. He immediately ordered the creation of a team to quickly estimate the cost of evacuating the residents from the region for a period of about one month. He then presented the Finance Ministry with a document that estimated the cost at 20 million shekels (about $5.7 million).


snip*Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon, the architects of the Gaza campaign, didn’t do a thing. They didn’t want to grant Hamas an “achievement” in the form of the organized “abandonment” of these communities. This is an old-fashioned way of thinking. No one in the international community calls the border between Israel and Gaza into question, and no one would challenge it even if there was a temporary evacuation. What is even more serious and more disconcerting, however, is that neither Netanyahu nor Ya’alon correctly assessed how long this war would take. Nor did they properly assess the intentions and capabilities of Hamas.

One of the biggest embarrassments of this campaign, and one that will long be remembered, was the inept “Anemone Speech” that Chief of Staff Benny Gantz delivered on Aug. 10, during one of the first cease-fires. Confident that the cease-fire would last a long time, Gantz called on local residents to return to their homes and work their land. They did return, only to discover that the mortar shells hadn’t stopped falling.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/08/israel-gaza-strip-communities-border-evacuation-cabinet.html#ixzz3BSBgsguT


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Israelis near Gaza again feel abandoned by their government (Original Post) Jefferson23 Aug 2014 OP
they need to get rid of netanayhu JI7 Aug 2014 #1
Yes and out of Likud altogether. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #2
Which political parties in Israel would you like to see in power? oberliner Aug 2014 #11
The question is irrelevant to me. If the majority of Israeli's continue to vote for representation Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #18
Israel's own George Bush 4now Aug 2014 #3
He's more like Cheney oberliner Aug 2014 #12
They serve a useful purpose shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #4
Bibi and his crazy cabinet have been playing with fire..time will tell if Likud ever gets voted the Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #5
I think that he has a job for life shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #6
You're probably right, if they're feeling betrayed and enough voters feel he did not go far enough Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #7
Bibi and Bogie are looking East not South ... Israeli Aug 2014 #8
+1. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #16
So Israel is now responsible for Hamas' perfidy? appal_jack Aug 2014 #9
It seems pretty clear that Bibi did not take precautions due to his concerns which were a Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #15
I still just want one commentator to talk about them or the settlers as "human shields" Recursion Aug 2014 #10
How so? oberliner Aug 2014 #13
Umm... you're joking, right? Recursion Aug 2014 #20
I hear ya. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #14
Human shield meaning Hamas would avoid firing rockets there King_David Aug 2014 #17
Nope. Israel shoots at "human shields" in Gaza. Hamas shoots at "human shields" in Israel. Recursion Aug 2014 #21
That makes no sense King_David Aug 2014 #22
You're halfway there. Recursion Aug 2014 #24
Support for Netanyahu plunges as Gaza truce remains elusive Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #19
Good King_David Aug 2014 #23
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Which political parties in Israel would you like to see in power?
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 06:45 AM
Aug 2014

Can you identify a few favorites?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. The question is irrelevant to me. If the majority of Israeli's continue to vote for representation
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 08:49 AM
Aug 2014

by morally bankrupt and racist individuals, so be it. My sympathy rests with those Israeli's who feel
their elected reps do not reflect their values and their quest for a peaceful and equitable solution to the
conflict.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
4. They serve a useful purpose
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 09:42 PM
Aug 2014

the poor harried people of the south. Why would he want to evacuate them?

Imagine if the Germans declared war on the French, and the French towns on the border within artillery range of the Germans requested an evacuation. Could you ever imagine the French government denying such a request?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Bibi and his crazy cabinet have been playing with fire..time will tell if Likud ever gets voted the
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 09:51 PM
Aug 2014

fuck out of power. Hard to imagine how this will be forgotten this time around.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
6. I think that he has a job for life
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 10:37 PM
Aug 2014

unless he gets outflanked on his right, which might happen. He is like the Bill O'Reilly of Israeli politics, used to be the crazy guy but now by comparison he looks positively sane.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. You're probably right, if they're feeling betrayed and enough voters feel he did not go far enough
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 10:53 PM
Aug 2014

to keep them safe..they may go further right. Ironic really, it was Livni who found it easy
it seemed to go full throttle during OCL...Bibi has out done her. Some felt he never had
the stomach for it the way she did, yet here we are with over two thousand dead.

Israeli

(4,139 posts)
8. Bibi and Bogie are looking East not South ...
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 02:51 AM
Aug 2014
My dear suckers in the south: Does the Gaza operation make you feel safe?

Now, as refugees in your own country, when the bomb shelters you had hoped to abandon are back, and when Gaza is mired in blood and ruins, do you feel safer?

By Yossi Sarid

I actually wanted to attend the demonstration of solidarity with the residents of the south of the country. I had already made all the emotional preparations, because I’m no longer used to demonstrations. They deserve to have us leave our homes and the silence, and for their sake we will not remain silent. Your punishment will suit your crime, my friends.

Yes, I have personal friends and colleagues there, who even voted for me when I was still up for election. And not only in the kibbutzim: I had friends and students in Sderot too.

At the last moment I decided to stay home. Because I heard over the radio that the demonstration in Tel Aviv’s Rabin Square was “non- political,” and I recalled those politicians and rabbis who even then, 20 years ago, did not spill this blood, as though we didn’t know who struck Rabin down. And I also learned from the news broadcast that the prime minister left the cabinet meeting for a few minutes, which he devoted to the heads of the regional councils in the south, in an attempt to moderate their speeches at the rally. Suddenly I felt nauseated.

A “nonpolitical” act is sometimes an immoral one, just as an excess of “national responsibility” is sometimes a communal lack of responsibility. You, my friends, are complaining that “they ignore us.” And why shouldn’t they? All of you together are not worth even half a Knesset seat, which once was “half a transit camp.” The communities on the Gazan border are not suffused with Likud and flooded with Yisrael Beitenu. Even Sderot, a city in Israel, is not important, because how many members of the Likud central committee does it have?

Not only do they “pay you no mind,” but they make a mockery of you. In the midst of the war, when the damage to property and lives is still being assessed, they are already paying hefty compensation – but not to you. The Knesset Finance Committee cries out, and additional tens of millions are transferred to the account of the settlers, for the purpose of “physical and emotional reinforcement.” Another example of emotional blackmail, in the wake of the murder of the three kidnapped yeshiva boys.

And the defense minister, who a week before Operation Protective Edge wanted to get rid of the security officers in your communities, is now promising the Gush Etzion Regional Council the laundering of an illegal outpost, approval of expansions and establishment of an agricultural farm – as long as it agrees to evacuate a pseudo-outpost that the council itself built without a permit.


A kibbutz cowshed worker knows his animals: You are the sheep and the cattle who will agree to continue to give of their milk and their meat, and will make do with a “nonpolitical” demonstration. The social welfare protest of the 2011 summer was Janus-faced, it turned to the right and to the left, and we discovered what came of that. Bibi and Bogie have managed to sear it into your consciousness: The settlers are masters of the land, whereas you are its servants. They didn’t even install safety barriers at the openings to the Hamas tunnels for you.

You should have understood a long time ago where they are heading: neither to the north nor to the south, but only to the east. Because their political future lies in the settlements; because in the east the sun of their careers will rise or set. Therefore, a demonstration without a clear address is no more than a demonstration of acceptance; you deserve to be ignored.


The time has come for you to grow up and wise up: You, who open a window and see all of Hamas-infested Gaza spread out before your eyes, you of all people are qualified to explain to the politicians and the generals that another Pillar of Defense and another Cast Lead and another Protective Edge will not scatter the black cloud of enmity with the mutinous neighbors, but will only darken our shared sky even more. Tell the truth to the cabinet and to yourselves: Now, as refugees in your own country, when the bomb shelters you had hoped to abandon are back, and when Gaza is mired in blood and ruins, do you feel safer?

Even in your distress, don’t assume that your situation is the worst possible: A few weeks ago I stopped to eat in Kiryat Shmona, on my way home from Tel Hai Academic College. Old acquaintances approached me and poured out their hearts: Sometimes, they said, we miss the Katyusha rockets. One Katyusha would remind this government of our existence, and all the ministers would report here for a quick visit.

All the promises to the “northerners” were forgotten at the Rosh Pina junction, and the promises to the “southerners” are being forgotten at Kastina. Will you too eventually miss the Qassam rockets and the mortar shells? See you at the next demonstration.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.611874

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
16. +1.
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 08:41 AM
Aug 2014

The time has come for you to grow up and wise up: You, who open a window and see all of Hamas-infested Gaza spread out before your eyes, you of all people are qualified to explain to the politicians and the generals that another Pillar of Defense and another Cast Lead and another Protective Edge will not scatter the black cloud of enmity with the mutinous neighbors, but will only darken our shared sky even more. Tell the truth to the cabinet and to yourselves: Now, as refugees in your own country, when the bomb shelters you had hoped to abandon are back, and when Gaza is mired in blood and ruins, do you feel safer?

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
9. So Israel is now responsible for Hamas' perfidy?
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 02:54 AM
Aug 2014
One of the biggest embarrassments of this campaign, and one that will long be remembered, was the inept “Anemone Speech” that Chief of Staff Benny Gantz delivered on Aug. 10, during one of the first cease-fires. Confident that the cease-fire would last a long time, Gantz called on local residents to return to their homes and work their land. They did return, only to discover that the mortar shells hadn’t stopped falling.


So Israel is now responsible for Hamas' perfidy? Why should it be embarrassing for Israel to take Hamas at their word?

This article you posted is weak from top to bottom, Jefferson23.

-app

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. It seems pretty clear that Bibi did not take precautions due to his concerns which were a
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 08:39 AM
Aug 2014

priority over safety so Hamas did not appear to have made any political gains. When you
do that and people die as a result, someone is going to notice and complain.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. I still just want one commentator to talk about them or the settlers as "human shields"
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 05:58 AM
Aug 2014

Just one talking head. Somewhere.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. Nope. Israel shoots at "human shields" in Gaza. Hamas shoots at "human shields" in Israel.
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 11:06 AM
Aug 2014

It's really not that complicated.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Support for Netanyahu plunges as Gaza truce remains elusive
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 09:35 AM
Aug 2014
Fewer than four in 10 Israelis think the prime minister is doing a good job, down from a record 82 percent around a month ago.

By Jonathan Lis

Only 38 percent of Israelis are satisfied with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s performance as the Gaza fighting approaches its 50th day, according to a poll for Channel 2 by market research firm Shiluv Millward Brown.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.612566
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