Settlement organisation entices Jews into Jerusalem settlement for $136 per day

[Jefferson23]

10/3/2014

The Ir David Foundation, known as Elad, has published an announcement on social media networks in search of Jewish settlers to live in Palestinian homes that it has captured in the town of Silwan, occupied East Jerusalem, in return for a financial reward estimated at 500 shekels ($136) per day, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Elad is known for its Judaisation projects of the city of Jerusalem. According to the association's advertisement, an amount of 500 shekels will be given to each settler who agrees to live in one of the homes that have been seized, with the settler only required to "keep his gun loaded and ready to fire at any time", according to the declaration.

Haaretz quoted one of the advertisements as follows: "We are looking for people who can stay in the apartments and watch them until families move into them. The work will probably take ten to 30 days (perhaps even more). The daily wage is 500 shekels gross. The workers will stay in the apartments and guard them until they are inhabited by families. Only suitable applicants will be accepted. Please pass this on to friends."

The following day, the newspaper reported that when asked about the details on what the job entails, an Elad official said: "You're not the security guard ... There are security guards and police when needed, and there's someone to supervise you and call to make sure everything is all right all the time. We don't need you as a security guard. As far as we're concerned, you live in the house, but it's better if you have a weapon."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/14506-settlement-organisation-entices-jews-into-jerusalem-settlement-for-136-per-day

[DetlefK]

1. Steal a house, hire thugs to guard them. In Israel that's obviously legal.

[Jefferson23]

2. Well, it's certainly what is being promoted...another example of their piece process. n/t

[King_David]

3. I think they buy the houses,

From Palestinians.

[Israeli]

9. Its not that simple KD ...

It is manipulated through the Absentee Property Act.

You can read up about it here :

http://alt-arch.org/en/settlers/

and here :

http://www.ir-amim.org.il/sites/default/files/Absenteesagainsttheirwill.pdf

Or , if the above is too much reading for you , watch this video :

http://tv.social.org.il/en/sumarin-versus-kkl

[oberliner]

4. Palestinian homes that it has captured?

So they didn't actually buy them?

[Jefferson23]

5. Not clear, as previous reports have stated. Regardless, we know this is OT, so none of this

looks good if one is to even consider Israel a partner for peace.

[King_David]

6. If there's a buyer and a seller

I don't think it's the same as occupying and evicting which is obscenely wrong .

[Jefferson23]

7. The manner under which the transactions took place is not clear, as far as I know.

One article spoke to the issue by stating these cases can take years to sort out in the courts.
In the mean time, the homes are transferred and that is a positive development for the Likud
minded.

[Scootaloo]

11. Well, there's the issue of it being occupied territory

And the power differential, besides that

Plus the links Israeli gave you.

[King_David]

12. I'll ask Israeli as I'm quite sure you don't understand the issues, as was demonstrated earlier,

Thanks anyway .

[Scootaloo]

17. I understand the issues quite well, Dave.

Jerusalem is occupied territory. West Jerusalem was formally occupied on 18 July 1948, East Jerusalem on 27 June 1967.

Are you trying to argue that this is not the case, Dave?

[Israeli]

24. Ask away KD ...

I thought I had already explained it but obviously not ....what is it that you dont get ?

This is the second thread on the same subject ...
Ref : http://www.democraticunderground.com/113482759

And you still dont get it !!

Ok ....another link ....hope this helps :


http://thelefternwall.com/2014/10/01/5-quotes-about-united-jerusalem-that-will-help-you-understand-the-recent-takeover-in-silwan/

[oberliner]

8. This website is definitely not neutral POV

Not sure if they claim otherwise.

[Israeli]

10. Is Haaretz okay oberliner ?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.618470

As in similar incidents in the past, the right-wing Elad organization is hiding behind a company registered abroad — in this case, Kandel Finance. Attorney Avi Segal, who represents the firm in Israel, would not provide any details about it or about the process involved in purchasing the property.

“Elad has a database about all of Silwan, every family and every building: who lives there, what his story is and who the weakest link is,” says an official closely involved in the issue. “That’s how it finds the cracks through which it can penetrate.”

Apparently, “straw men” are often involved in the purchases; they buy the apartments and transfer them to the settlers.

[oberliner]

13. That's definitely much more unbiased reporting

So "captured" is not really an accurate term.

[Israeli]

26. Manipulation of law ...

stratagem, or guile ...sound any better ?

The end result is the same no matter what adjective you use .....more homeless Palestinians .
More religious right wing settlers replacing them .

[King_David]

28. Homeless Palestinians ?

Didn't they sell the house to them ? Were they forced out onto the street ?
I'm not sure what happened here exactly.

[Israeli]

42. Yes KD homeless Palestinians ....

Jerusalem demolishes Palestinian home, family forced to move into a cave

http://www.haaretz.com/news/1.543665

Happens all the time in Silwan .

If you are not sure what happened then you have not read any of my links .

[King_David]

44. It seems though that these apartments were sold,

in this case . And then moved into after being purchased. Nothing was destroyed .

[Israeli]

45. In this case KD ....

Nobody has moved in yet except paid guards ....do you know why ?.....
the alleged sellers have disappeared.

"" Furthermore, just ahead of the meeting in the White House, dozens of Israeli settlers accompanied by a heavy police escort, invaded dozens of Palestinian homes in the Palestinian neighborhood of Silwan, south of the Jerusalem Old City wall. One of the residents who tried to prevent their entry got beaten up by police who told him "Go to Gaza".

The settlers claimed that they had legally bought the houses from their owners - an assertion which is very difficult to validate, as the alleged sellers have disappeared.

Anyway, Housing Minister Uri Ariel did not really care about the problems of legality. Just at the time when the Prime Minister sat down in the White House, expressing to the President his desire for peace with the Palestinians, his Housing Minister conducted a visit of his own to the settlers in Silwan, “in order to strengthen and encourage them". With his own hands the Minister affixed a mezuzah to the doorpost of a house which had been a Palestinian residence twenty-four hours earlier, so as to express that it would be a strictly Jewish home henceforward. "Now dozens of new families can come and significantly increase the Israeli grip and sovereignty over the City of David and its environs. Settlement in Jerusalem will continue full force, throughout the city. Abbas had never been a partner and is not a partner now, instead of engaging in the pursuit of peace fantasies we should sustain the settlement effort all over the country. We are ready to immediately offer for sale thousands of housing units in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria, and I expect it would become possible on the PM’s return from his visit to the United States."

Two hours later, the White House spokesperson published a statement of strong condemnation summing up the Israeli Prime Minister's visit:“Israel’s plan to continue construction in a sensitive area of East Jerusalem is poisoning the atmosphere - not only with the Palestinians, but also with the very Arab governments with which Prime Minister Netanyahu said he wanted to build relations. This leads to serious doubts as to Israel's commitment to peace. I can say that the United States is deeply concerned. Israel might face international condemnation, even from its closest allies, if it proceeds with this massive new housing project in East Jerusalem.” ""

http://adam-keller2.blogspot.co.il/

So I take it you dont agree with Obama on this then ????????

[King_David]

46. There's nothing to agree or disagree with

Nothing is clear here what happened as such .

[Israeli]

47. Perhaps you need to see the bigger picture ....

Obama seems clear KD ...I agree with him .

If you want to sit on the fence and not support your own President that you voted for ...fine by me ...its a tad hypocritical tho KD .

[King_David]

48. Thanks for permission

I do indeed agree with Obama and the Democratic Party on Israel policies , unlike half the people posting in this group.

[Jefferson23]

14. For you it isn't.

capture: an act of catching, winning, or gaining control by force, stratagem, or guile

[oberliner]

15. For anyone

Neutral POV is not necessarily what sources aspire to. Some are clearly unapologetic about having a particular slant (like DU, for example). It seems not only from this article but from a preponderance of the articles on the site that neutral reporting of facts is probably not what they are after.

[Jefferson23]

16. According to you this website falls into that category..I don't see your findings as convincing.

They utilized Haaretz and the term captured is not an isolated term to mean only by violence.
Paired with well documented Israeli policy on East Jerusalem, I find your claim it lacks neutrality, a stretch.

[oberliner]

19. So you are asserting this is simply a neutral news site with no particular left or right leanings?

I find it hard believe that anyone could reach that conclusion.

[Jefferson23]

23. You made clear what your problem was, in more than one post, which was unfounded. n/t

[oberliner]

25. I don't have a problem

I am just trying to get a sense of this website. Whether it is more a neutral news site or a site with a particular bent or agenda. I think I have now gathered enough information to conclude that it is the latter. I would think that you would agree if you look around the site a bit that it is similar to something like 972mag, for instance.

[Israeli]

27. You are a laugh a minute oberliner.....

Its nowhere near similar to 972 .

There is this little button you can click on called ' about us ' ....I suggest you give it a try :

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/about-us

[King_David]

29. They seem to have an elevated and overblown sense of their own importance

in that "about us" I would take it with a grain of salt.

[Jefferson23]

35. I am not going to argue with you any longer, oberliner. I'll agree, we don't agree. n/t

[Scootaloo]

18. Still waiting for you to criticize algemeiner, jpost, ynet, or the like

You appear to be physically incapable of doing so. Apparently in the oberlinerverse, only sources and articles that speak of Palestinian gains or israeli wrongs can ever be considered biased, while those that triumph Israel and demonize Palestinians are always wholly accurate and above critique.

[oberliner]

20. None of those are neutral news sites

I regularly point out that JPost is a pretty fringe source that is read by virtually no one inside of Israel. Ynet is more popular but definitely leans right. Algemeiner is clearly right of center. I would say sites like Reuters or the Associated Press are neutral POV sites for the most part.

[Scootaloo]

21. I know they're not. That's part of my point

They are, however, sources frequently used by several posters here. And never do you give them the eye-roll, tongue-clucking, "you call that a source?" treatment you deliver to people who use any source to provide a stance supportive of Palestine or critical of israel.

Now you can tell me what you think of those sources here all you want. Doesn't change that you never belittle them or their users the way you do here.

Which is really ironic for someone who seems very concerned about bias.

[oberliner]

22. This is an unfamiliar site to me

I think the biases of those other sites you mentioned have long been established. This is one that I don't know much about and am trying to get a sense of where they are coming from. I do think there is still some lack of clarify regarding the means by which these people have moved into these buildings ("captured" vs. "purchased" or something in between the two).

With respect to the other sites, I think they are reasonable enough as long as one is aware of their slant. This new site from what I am learning about it seems reasonable as well, though somewhat slanted too.

One site I do frequently belittle is Arutz Sheva - I have no idea why anyone uses that as a source as it is a far RW settler website. I call people out almost every time I see it used.

[shira]

31. MEMO is a crap site

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/28/stephen-walt-and-the-islamist-lobby/

Although that's algemeiner, the writer is liberal. Not fringe left, but solidly liberal. As in liberal zionist. I realize some here don't believe being a liberal zionist is possible but...

[azurnoir]

32. here's a sample of of this liberals recent scribing they make for quite a read in 'liberalism'

September 2, 2014 8:29 pm
Ken Roth’s Twitter War Against Israel

Human Rights Watch Official Justifies Hamas’ Use of Terror Tunnels August 22, 2014 2:35 pm

Anti-Israel Activists Thrilled by Abduction of Israeli Teens June 15, 2014 3:57 pm


Max Blumenthal Attracts Jew Haters of All Stripes May 16, 2014 9:47 am

The Palestinians and the Holocaust April 27, 2014 11:30 am


http://www.algemeiner.com/author/petra-marquardt-bigman/

Petra Marquardt-Bigman

[shira]

33. Well, the fringe left hates liberals so... n/t

[azurnoir]

34. What is this "fringe left" you keep going on about?

and why would you direct such a comment at me? Do you think attempting to make the Palestinian responsible for the Holocaust on some level is a liberal value, something a true liberal should promote?

[shira]

36. Same fringe who can't find an elected Dem. who comes close to representing....

...their views on I/P.

As to the Holocaust, it's an inconvenient truth but the Palestinians' first leader (al-Husseini) was allied with Hitler and played a significant role in advocating for and killing Jews. Both Arafat and Abbas have said they think very highly of him.

Name me a liberal who wouldn't be appalled by that?

[azurnoir]

37. so you're saying the Palestinian had some responsibility for the Holocaust?

it is a yes or no question but I expect something far more wordy

[azurnoir]

49. so do you agree with Obamas statement on the East Jerusalem settlements? n/t

[shira]

50. Why? Do u believe your views on I/P are closer to the POTUS than mine? n/t

[azurnoir]

51. In this case yes I do support the POTUS statements on the EJ settlements

now could you kindly answer my question regarding this comment? It was do you believe the Palestinians are in part responsible for the Holocaust?

Same fringe who can't find an elected Dem. who comes close to representing....

...their views on I/P.

As to the Holocaust, it's an inconvenient truth but the Palestinians' first leader (al-Husseini) was allied with Hitler and played a significant role in advocating for and killing Jews. Both Arafat and Abbas have said they think very highly of him.

Name me a liberal who wouldn't be appalled by that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=83379

[shira]

52. Not just in this case, but overall. You believe all your views on I/P.....

....are more similar to the POTUS than mine?

[azurnoir]

53. you once again avoided my original question, why is that?

in answer to your question I honestly do not know but then again you'd be hard put to find any politician or pundit I agree with even 75% of the time

[King_David]

38. Since when is Max Blumenthall a "liberal"

You can't be liberal and support extremist groups who hate women and Homosexuals.

Same goes for a few posters who support non- progressive , homophobic , bigoted groups.

[azurnoir]

39. Who does Blumenthal support - Palestinians interpreted as Hamas?

[King_David]

40. What's a "Palestinians interpreted as Hamas"

?

[azurnoir]

41. going strictly by your choice in wording

Star Member King_David (9,251 posts)
40. What's a "Palestinians interpreted as Hamas"

?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113483286#post40

shouldn't that statement have ended with precious?

It's a LOTR reference just in case

[King_David]

43. LOTR ?

Those were your words. , hence the quotation marks.

[shira]

30. Jpost has become more centrist. Ynet is liberal....

Algemeiner is right of center, so we agree there.

Haaretz is beyond liberal and tilts fringe left.