Abbas adds 'hard labor' to punishment for Palestinians who sell land to Israelis

[shira]

Abbas is quite the moderate peace partner, making the selling of land to Jews illegal. Israel bashers can finally claim real apartheid!

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Monday issued an order that would toughen punishment for Palestinians involved in real estate deals with “hostile countries” and their citizens.

Abbas’s decision came following reports that Palestinians have sold houses in Jerusalem’s Silwan neighborhood to Jews.

On Monday, Jewish families moved into two more residences in Silwan that were reportedly purchased through a Palestinian mediator.

In his order, Abbas decided to amend the Palestinian penal code so that it would include hard labor in addition to life imprisonment for Palestinians who sell, rent out or serve as mediators in real estate transactions with “hostile countries” and their citizens.

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http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-adds-hard-labor-to-punishment-for-Palestinians-who-sell-land-to-hostile-countries-379350

[Scootaloo]

2. Are those Jews Palestinian citizens, or otherwise under Palestinian rule, Shira?

[oberliner]

3. Are non-Jewish Israeli citizens subject to the same restriction?

Or is there no penalty/punishment for selling to Israeli citizens who are not Jewish?

If Arab Israelis are permitted to live there but Jewish Israelis are not, would that be problematic for you?

[Scootaloo]

7. So no, they are not Palestinians nor otherwise under Palestinian rule

As evidenced by your attempt at a "yeahbut" evasion. For the record, the article already answered your "question."

real estate deals with “hostile countries” and their citizens.

Foreign nationals generally have no reason to expect that they have an inherent right to purchase property in another nation. In fact most nations in the world have some sort of restriction or other on it. An Israeli would have lots of hurdles and red tape and other assorted bullshit to jump through before their attempt to purchase farmland in the Us is even considered, for instance. They couldn't buy land in Thailand unless they formed a corporation that is at least 51% thai, and even then, they would simply be long-term leasing. Morocco doesn't sell public land to anyone who isn't a Moroccan citizen, period.

Hell on that note, there's even a middle eastern state that not only doesn't sell public land to non-citizens at all, but also doesn't sell it to citizens who aren't of the proper ethnicity! Oh wait that's Israel nothing to see here move along.

Palestine has chosen to restrict property sales - private and public - against foreign nationals of hostile states. This seems like sound logic to me. I don't expect that the US considered property purchases by Japanese nationals in 1943, for example. and when you consider the only state hostile to Palestine at the moment also happens to be one that is trying to conquer the territory of Palestine? Seems like a good sense measure to me.

[azurnoir]

10. Good points thanks n/t

[shira]

12. The PA is talking about Jews, not Israelis in general...

They have no problem with Israeli Arabs. They're not the enemy.

But they've made it quite clear in Arabic media that they have big problems with their enemies the Jews. There's so much clear evidence for this, it's ridiculous.

Excusing, minimizing, or explaining away these vile acts by the PA and Hamas is condoning blatantly anti-semitic, apartheid policy.

[Scootaloo]

14. You have no fucking clue what anti-semitism is, obviously

Except, of course, a word that you think you can squawk out to shut people up when you don't actually have an argument to make.

Israeli Jews buy property, and Israel then declares that property to belong to Israel. This is of course illegal under international law, but hey, doesn't look like that'll ever be enforced. So Israel does it anyway. So Palestine has enacted a measure to try to protect its territory.

Israeli Jews don't want to be considered hostiles under Palestinian law? well, maybe they can stop being fucking hostiles. Novel concept, one that I'm sure won't mesh well with your perception of the universe.

[shira]

15. Yes, according to anti-zios most Jews have no clue about anti-semitism....

Apparently all the big organizations like ADL and Simon Wiesenthal are clueless about anti-semitism.

Good thing you're here to fight the good fight for Jews.



And there are no Jews buying private property and then declaring that property to belong to the state of Israel.

That's nucking futs.

[shira]

8. They're Jews. Like Amira Hass of Haaretz who was banned....

....from a Palestinian University recently. Israeli Arabs are okay. Israeli Jews are not. When Abbas, his PA goons, and Hamas friends speak of Jews in Israel, they say Israelis to english speakers. So Israelis are Jews. Arabs of Israel are Palestinians. They've been consistent about this for decades.

There's also the decades of nazi like incitement in the Palestinian media against Jews specifically - not Israeli Arabs.

[azurnoir]

9. Birzeit University apologized for the incident here is their statement

Birzeit said in a statement Tuesday that it "regrets the lamentable incident involving the apparent exclusion of Hass from a Center for Development Studies Conference and will work with students and faculty to create better understanding of, and ensure adherence to, university policies, which oppose discrimination based on identity."

"Birzeit University wishes to clarify its principled position of welcoming supporters of the Palestinian struggle and opponents of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, regardless of nationality, religion, ethnicity, or creed," the statement said.

"Hence, Hass, who has consistently condemned the Israeli occupation, evinced support for Palestinian rights, and helped expose the discriminatory policies of occupation and its flagrant violations of these rights, is always welcome on our campus and at university events."

Hass was asked to leave a conference at Birzeit University last week due to what she said was a policy banning Israeli Jews from the campus.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=731230

[shira]

11. The point is that both the PA and Hamas discriminate vs Jews

When they say they want no Israelis living in a future Palestine or no property sold to Israelis, they mean Jews.

Amira Hass made this quite clear in her article.

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Palestine will be an apartheid state.

[azurnoir]

17. how many "Jews" as you prefer to call Israeli's live under PA rule to be discriminated against?

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also is it common that when a foreign national buys land in a country other than his own that land becomes "state land" for his country of origin?

and doesn't Israel have something called the JNS that reserves the majority of land in Israel for Jewish citizens only?

[shira]

18. They've called for a future Jew-free apartheid state many times.

But do go on, keep deflecting...

[Scootaloo]

13. And palestine is entitled to conjure such laws, if they wish

Just as Jews worldwide are entitled to emigrate to Israel on a fast track, so too, apparently, are Israelis of Palestinian descent allowed to buy stuff in Palestine. What a fucking concept. Especially since every time Israeli Jews have bought Palestinian property, Israel immediately declares it to be Israeli territory. Again, a novel concept, not selling property to armed and hostile people who wish to use it as a basis for claims of conquest.

And cut the godwin shit. Germany wasn't under a brutal, fifty-year military occupation by "The Jewish State," at least last I heard. There's not really a basis for comparison there.

[shira]

16. And you'll support a Palestine that conjures such apartheid laws?

Especially since every time Israeli Jews have bought Palestinian property, Israel immediately declares it to be Israeli territory.

Where do you get this schlock from? Do you know the diff. between private and public property?

And cut the godwin shit. Germany wasn't under a brutal, fifty-year military occupation by "The Jewish State," at least last I heard. There's not really a basis for comparison there.

There was no occupation back in the days of Hitler's grand Mufti, al-Husseini, the first Palestinian leader. Hamas and PA racist rhetoric towards the Jews hasn't improved since the 1930's. Maybe it's past time "good" anti-zios stop defending their neo-nazi incitement against the Jews.

Besides, the occupation is not an excuse for the most depraved Palestinian anti-semitic gutter incitement against Jews today. Hamas and the PA are supposed to be more responsible than that. They're absolute fascists, so why defend their vulgarity?

By your logic, settlers have good reason to be as ridiculously vile as they can get. After all, they've been targeted by fascists for decades, so who can blame them for reacting as they do? Anyone under such constant fascist bombardment would lash back...

[azurnoir]

4. this can only be enforced in Area A the 18% of the WB under total Palestinian control and where by

Israeli law Israeli civilians are not allowed in any event making this nice for being the antiPalestinian outrage of the day but otherwise we're simply being sold more of this

[oberliner]

5. Not true

No Israelis live in Area A and none are permitted to live there.

This applies to E Jerusalem.

[azurnoir]

6. Abbas has no authority in East Jerusalem I'm surprised you didn't know that