PFLP: Israelis will not be safe before Palestinians

[Jefferson23]

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine on Thursday officially mourned two of its members Ghassan and Udayy Abu Jamal who were killed Tuesday after carrying out an attack on an Israeli synagogue, saying that the attack shows that Israelis will not be safe until Palestinians are.

In a statement released by the leftist militant group, Khalil Maqdesi, a member of the central committee, called the attack "a natural response to the ongoing racist policies and crimes of the occupation, and it is the occupation that is responsible for the escalation in Jerusalem and throughout Palestine."

"The PFLP will continue to target every institution of the occupation. No place in Jerusalem should be safe so long as the Palestinian people are not safe. 'Security' cannot be built on the backs of the Palestinian people. The only result of the occupation attacks on Jerusalem will be continued and escalating resistance among the Palestinian masses."

snip*"Our message today to the Jewish people around the world is that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was never a conflict between Muslims and Jews. Palestine has embraced the Jewish community for hundreds of years. What stands between us is this colonial project."

"We know that thousands of Jews around the world are true and genuine voices for the struggle, leading boycott movements and joining the Palestinian struggle for liberation on a daily basis. We salute each and every one of them," he added.

in full: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=741272

[DetlefK]

1. This is essentially "Occupy Israel".

Think about it: It's not an organized movement, it's not planned, there is no leader, there is nobody you can outright arrest to stop it, you cannot tell who's a member and who's not... It's a broad feeling of rejection that motivates the Palestinians.

And the Israelis react just like the cops/DHS/FBI reacted to Occupy Wallstreet: They want to go after the head and end it with one clean arrest. Go from house to house, do searches... Search for what?

[Jefferson23]

2. I would agree what we're seeing are reactions to reactions and their leaders, the political

ones, the collective lot of them, are all failing them miserably. Seeing reactions like this is not surprising, when you think about it.

[geek tragedy]

25. except Occupy didn't massacre people inside houses of worship.

This isn't occupy, it's Baruch Goldstein.

[DetlefK]

26. I refered to the structure and goals, not to philosophy.

[geek tragedy]

27. occupy was non-violent collectivist activism where everyone

stood in one place.

this was just butchery

Also, the goal of people who massacre Jews in synagogues is genocide of Jews, not social justice

[DetlefK]

29. You didn't read what I wrote, right?

I compared the structures and the organization.

[oberliner]

3. "Palestine has embraced the Jewish community for hundreds of years"

Amazing how that can be said with a straight face.

[Jefferson23]

4. You're back, with your usual responses too. n/t

[oberliner]

5. Not sure what that means

I am just saying that the sentence cited is ridiculous.

[Jefferson23]

6. I believe you do know. n/t

[Mosby]

7. what happened in 1929?

And 1936 to 1939?

Fact is the indigenous Jews of Palestine have been under attack for a long time, and the indigenous Jewish community in the Levant is pretty much gone because of arab hatred and bigotry towards Jews.

[Jefferson23]

8. According to who? The endless occupation is not a factor either, to some. It's absurd to

suggest the Palestinian people do not understand what has been going on for decades..there
is no peace process..there has been a well documented piece process with the backing
of the US government.

[sabbat hunter]

16. the PFLP considers

all of Israel to be occupied, not just the WB and Gaza. So unless Israel disappears, they will see it as an endless occupation.

[Jefferson23]

18. They are for a one state solution, as far as I am aware.

They believe the negotiations are bullshit..which is true. If you mean gone, as in displaced..that seems
unsupported.

Attitude to the peace process

When it was formed in the late 1960s the PFLP supported the established line of most Palestinian guerrilla fronts and ruled out any negotiated settlement with Israel that would result in two states between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Instead, George Habash in particular, and various other leaders in general advocated one state with an Arab identity in which Jews were entitled to live with the same rights as any minority. The PFLP declared that its goal was to "create a people's democratic Palestine, where Arabs and Jews would live without discrimination, a state without classes and national oppression, a state which allows Arabs and Jews to develop their national culture."

The PFLP platform never wavered on key points such as the overthrow of conservative or monarchist Arab states like Morocco and Jordan, the Right of Return of all Palestinian refugees to their homes in pre-1948 Palestine, or the use of the liberation of Palestine as a launching board for achieving Arab unity – reflecting its beginnings in the Pan-Arab ANM. It opposed the Oslo Accords and was for a long time opposed to the idea of a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but in 1999 came to an agreement with the PLO leadership regarding negotiations with the Israeli government. However, in May 2010, PFLP general secretary Ahmad Sa'adat called for an end to the PLO's negotiations with Israel, saying that only a one-state solution was possible.[20]

The PFLP opposed the 2007 conflict between Hamas and Fatah and believes that the Salam Fayyad government is not helpful in solving the conflict.[21]

In January 2011, the PFLP declared that the Camp David Accords stood for "subservience, submission, dictatorship and silence", and called for social and political revolution in Egypt.[22]


In December 2013, the PFLP stated: "Hamas is a vital part of the Palestinian national movement, and this is the position of the PFLP."[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine

[sabbat hunter]

19. Yes a one state solution

and that state is Palestine. And only Palestine.

Instead, George Habash in particular, and various other leaders in general advocated one state with an Arab identity in which Jews were entitled to live with the same rights as any minority.

I expect it would protect jews about as well as the Soviets did back in the days of the USSR.

[Jefferson23]

20. Looks like they mirror the Likud on some level...except they don't have the same

influence/political power etc. The Palestinians have about as much trust with Israel
as you're expressing Israel would have with this reversal of power.

[geek tragedy]

21. Well, that and they hack people to death inside holy places. nt

[Jefferson23]

36. They have taken reponsibility? I know they are celebrating it. Some do not like posts

such as this one, I disagree. Best to know what they say directly. I post
all the right wing positions too...from each side.

[sabbat hunter]

39. The OP

you posted said that the Palestinians that were killed after the attack were members of the PFLP. The PFLP also said that they would continue such attacks.

So yes, the PFLP did take responsibility for the attack

[Jefferson23]

41. What I was looking for was there a declaration they( PFLP) oragnized it, as opposed

to these two within their group acted on their own.

I was not sure about that...you're saying in fact they did, correct?

[sabbat hunter]

42. Yes I am

saying that they did indeed claim responsibility for it.
That is my read on it.

It is right in line with the PFLP's history of terror attacks.

[Jefferson23]

43. Ok, I have not seen that and I also have not read much today.

Has Israel commented on it? It is a big deal when they take responsibility
in that fashion.

[geek tragedy]

23. highly insulting to the Palestinan people to equate them to these monsters nt

[Jefferson23]

37. I have no idea what you think is insulting..they speak for themselves.

The occupation has many voices, and it is naive to suggest otherwise.

[Scootaloo]

17. Would you like some Wikipedia links, Mosby?

Or are you trying to ask questions rhetorically?

[oberliner]

9. Honestly confused

I'm sorry, I do not understand what you are trying to get across.

[Jefferson23]

10. I don't believe you're confused, not at all. n/t

[oberliner]

11. OK thanks

At least this little back and forth could get more folks to read the OP.

[Jefferson23]

12. Feel free to kick it, anytime. n/t

[King_David]

14. PMs are best for private conversations nt

[Jefferson23]

15. Then go ahead and send him a PM...that's up to you. n/t

[azurnoir]

13. why do you think that can you site examples that are pre-Balfour?

[geek tragedy]

24. have to agree with you, people who massacre Jews in synagogues just hate Jews.

Rather appalling to see terrorist propaganda posted here.

[azurnoir]

28. oberliner was referring to a comment that hd nothing to do with the murders earlier this week

it concerned the past ""Palestine has embraced the Jewish community for hundreds of years"
complete comment from article:"Our message today to the Jewish people around the world is that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was never a conflict between Muslims and Jews. Palestine has embraced the Jewish community for hundreds of years. What stands between us is this colonial project."


and although I questioned him about it he has not replied so I will pose the same question to you-can you tell us about that and here it is

can you site examples that are pre-Balfour?

[geek tragedy]

30. This is a statement from the people who hacked Jews to death

inside a synagogue, yes?

[azurnoir]

31. 2 people committed the murders and you seem to avoid my question why is that? n/t

[geek tragedy]

32. The PFLP conducted the massacre and is celebrating it.

Hamas is similarly gloating over the fact that Jews were slaughtered like livestock inside a synagogue.

Pre- Balfour is irrelevant. What matters is the current reality--one in which Palestinians devalue Jewish lives as much as Israeli Jews devalue Palestinian lives.

[azurnoir]

33. why is pre-Balfour irrelevent? the PFLP's statement said 100's of years so what's the problem here?

2 people who are PFLP conducted the murder of 5 people in a synagogue and were killed themselves as a result-Hamas reacted predictably

[geek tragedy]

34. People who celebrate hate crimes and butchering of Jews

in synagogues are not being honest when they make such claims.

The very existence of PFLP and Hamas is the most effective rebuttal to the relevance of past Palestinian tolerance towards Jews.

Kind of like Adolf Eichmann citing past German acceptance of Jews.

[King_David]

35. I enjoy your posts

A formidable forum debator no matter which side you are on .

( that's a compliment btw)

[azurnoir]

40. so you equate Palestinians to Nazis? the existence of these groups has nothing to do with 70 years

of oppression and death I take it? Palestinian acts of terror happen in vacuum ?

[Jefferson23]

44. You see hyperbolic nonsense when they're attacks...same as the claim that Israel

is committing genocidal acts on the Palestinians.

His conclusions: Also, the goal of people who massacre Jews in synagogues is genocide of Jews, not social justice ( end )

It becomes an emotional response, not much is thought through, imo.

[geek tragedy]

46. Yes, people who slaughter Jews in synagogues are not interested

in social justice. They are interested in killing Jews.

Or would you argue that Baruch Goldstein sought social justice?

[Jefferson23]

49. I stand by what I said. Your posts here are more emotional than thought out.

I see that when people speak in defense of the Palestinians and go over the top
against Israeli policy...making claims that are baseless..like genocide.

Things are bad enough, no need to go where you're going.

[azurnoir]

50. I would posit that Goldsteins goal was the cementing of the settler population in Hebron and in that

he was quite successful and yes some here would call a permanent Israeli presence in Hebron social justice

[geek tragedy]

53. Goldstein was a bigoted psycho.

His goal was to kill as many Palestinians as he could.

[azurnoir]

55. He is considered a hero by many of the Hebron settlers who's presence in that city was secured

by Israel's response to that act one of which was to close more than 500 Palestinian businesses and make Shehuda Street inaccessible to Palestinians

[geek tragedy]

57. I have no trouble lumping such people in with

ISIS or the Waffen SS.

[King_David]

60. Rubbish

He may be considered a hero by a small tiny number of people, most , many , Jews consider him a disgrace to his people.. As disgraceful as those young Jews who recently murdrred the young Palestinian innocent teen.

[azurnoir]

61. I was specific to Hebron but do feel free to ignore that as needed :)

[geek tragedy]

45. People who celebrate synagogues being used as abattoirs

certainly do share characteristics with certain historical actors, yes.

Israel's status as an apartheid state doesn't change that .

What Abbas understands--that the quasi-ISIS types cheering this event do not--is that such reactions are enough to make even the most severe critics of Israeli policy go "whoa, maybe the Israelis do have a point about security concerns."

[azurnoir]

47. so this one act heinous as it was now justifies Israel's past present and future treatment

of Palestinians? and a synagogue used as a slaughterhouse-the deaths of 4 Jews and one Druze equate to a slaughterhouse/massacre ect? I notice no such language was used in the case of Barach Goldstein who killed 29 Muslims at prayer in a mosque in Hebron

That said you're still diverting from my original question and once again why?

[geek tragedy]

51. I don't recall attempts to deflect blame

from Goldstein or cast him as a seeker of social justice.

[azurnoir]

52. I replied that above social justice is a relative term BTW

I have not deflected blame but I have pointed out what should be obvious

[geek tragedy]

56. One person's genocide is another's social justice.

"Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

[azurnoir]

58. genocide? neither Goldstein nor the the synagogue murders committed genocide or anything even close

both were heinous acts but neither were genocide

[geek tragedy]

59. The intent is pretty obvious.

Call it eliminationist intent if that is more precise.

[geek tragedy]

22. PFLP are secular versions of ISIS. Every one of them is like Baruch Goldstein. nt

[Jefferson23]

38. Jerusalem Synagogue Attack: Motivation Was Not Religion But Revenge For 1948 Massacre, Says PFLP

The attack on a Jerusalem synagogue that killed four rabbis was not motivated by religious differences, said members of the Palestinian faction that claimed responsibility. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) said the attack was a response to growing Palestinian frustration that will continue to express itself violently and ultimately unite the many factions of Palestinian “resistance.”


“Look, Palestinian youth in Jerusalem, they don’t just wake up one morning and grab a knife and say, ‘I want to kill the first Israeli that I see,’” said Khalid Maqdesi, spokesperson and member of the PFLP’s Central Committee. “This is the result of daily oppression that Palestinians are facing every hour, every minute of their life. … They’re going to resist and that’s how we read this operation.”

Two men who were reportedly members of the PFLP’s armed wing, the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, attacked the synagogue during morning prayers with meat cleavers and a gun Tuesday.

“This synagogue is an institution we don’t look at it from a religious perspective. This institution was built on confiscated Palestinian land,” Maqdesi said. “Settlers and soldiers are legitimate targets as far as the PFLP is concerned.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/jerusalem-synagogue-attack-motivation-was-not-religion-revenge-1948-massacre-says-1725894

[geek tragedy]

48. So they are claiming responsibility then? nt

[Jefferson23]

54. To me it's a big difference and even bigger deal if they are claiming they as a group

planned and executed the murders...as opposed to members who did it. I also have found no response from Israel,
but I have been off line most of the day.

I find that a curious thing, somewhat. There is a storm brewing and no one
is saying much about it.