PM to forward bill allowing state to revoke residency of terrorists (families)

[azurnoir]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is excepted to forward new legislation aimed at revoking the residency permits and social benefits of East Jerusalem Arabs who engage in terrorism or other nationalistically motivated crimes, such as incitement to violence against the state. The bill is also set to target the families of such persons.

The prime minister’s announcement came after Interior Minister Gilad Erdan said earlier Saturday that that he was reviewing the possibility of revoking the Israeli residencies of East Jerusalem Arabs who support terror. The move was promptly supported by Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, who said that Israel should use the threat of deportation and the revocation of residency permits and social rights as a deterrent.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-to-forward-bill-allowing-state-to-revoke-residency-of-terrorists/#ixzz3JqmDfYAI

[libodem]

1. Peace and Love to both sides

I hope God approves of this wise and benevolent conduct from the son's of Abraham.

I don't think hating this makes it any better. I'm sending peace and love. Some for Ferguson, too.

I don't understand Religious and civil warfare.

[King_David]

2. Happens in a few democracies,

Canadian government begins invalidating passports of citizens who have left to join extremist groups

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/20/canadian-government-revoking-passports-of-citizens-trying-to-join-extremist-groups

[bravenak]

3. But not their families, right?

[King_David]

5. Dunno haven't studied the Canadian law yet,

In fact neither law has come before or been voted on in either parliament as such.

So not sure where you got your scoop info from?

[Scootaloo]

4. Civilized nations do not punish the families of criminals

Bronze-age barbarians do that.

[King_David]

6. Bronze-age barbarians are primitive backward countries

That inprison kill banish whip or lash Gays simply for being gays .... Gaza is such a place.

[Scootaloo]

7. That too, certainly. Right now we're talking about the barbarity of collective punishment

[King_David]

8. No we were talking about Brinze Age Barbarian

Backward countries .


BTW did you notice how the mother of that canadian Terrorist behaved by being ashamed of him compared to the mother of the terrorist in Jerusalem who said she's proud of her son?

[Scootaloo]

9. And what makes them such; in this case, the practice of collective punishment

Do you support the practice of collective punishment, David?

[King_David]

10. Not collective punishment

The family is very much involved.

And there is no bill as such , just a trial balloon .... Canada is further ahead on this than Iarael but nobody noticed because canada is not a Jewish State.

[Scootaloo]

16. No; because Canada is not seeking to punish people for being related to a perpetrator

It's an important distinction that Bravenak pointed out to you and you ignored.

That's exactly what collective punishment is, David. It's holding a group of associated people responsible for the crimes of someone else, and punishing them instead of that individual. And I think it's important that we know where you actually stand on the issue of collective punishment.

[King_David]

17. Not sure where you read Canada's law that hasn't been written

Or brought before parliament yet.

[Scootaloo]

18. It's not a bill, it's an action being taken by Canada's Citizenship and Immigration department

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/21/canada-begins-revoking-passports-citizens-who-join/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/20/canadian-government-revoking-passports-of-citizens-trying-to-join-extremist-groups/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/revoking-isis-passports-government-refuses-to-disclose-numbers-1.2774546
And is based on a law from 2012: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/si-81-86/page-4.html

None of which targets members of the family, but only the individual in question.

Again. Do you support collective punishment?

[King_David]

19. Canada's action did not even get noticed much

Since Canada is not a Jewish state.

[Scootaloo]

20. Canada's action does not target families of perpetrators, which is what we are talking about

it also got plenty of coverage, both as a story in its own right, and part of broader stories about other nations mulling or doing hte same, and stories giving broader coverage of the IS situation. Thus the news stories that both of us linked.

[King_David]

21. Canada's "action" has not gone through yet

So I'm not sure how you know.

[Scootaloo]

22. Uh, yeah, it's ongoing right now. Seriously, read the links

Do you support collective punishment, Dave? C'mon, it's a simple enough question.

[King_David]

23. The Families appear to be accomplices in the acts sometimes before and certainly after....

[Scootaloo]

24. Then investigate, charge, and try in a court.

Prove their guilt before a jury, then let a judge mandate a punishment on basis of standing law and precedent.

[King_David]

25. I agree 100 %

[Scootaloo]

26. That's not what I've gathered from this discussion

But if you say so... Maybe you can work on communicating it a little better.

[King_David]

27. You ask and ask

And when I answer I get that?

Bye

[Scootaloo]

28. well, it's the fact that I HAD to "ask and ask"

Seriously, if you're not on board with collective punishment, that's great, i just don't know why it was such a struggle to find out.

[sadoldgirl]

11. Does that also include

the destruction of their property?

And what is the definition of nationalistically motivated crimes?

Like throwing a few stones at the heavily armed soldiers?

Ah yes, just like the repugs here: Fear them and destroy them.

Very democratic, indeed.

[King_David]

12. More likely this :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113487897

[sadoldgirl]

13. I did not and will not condone that act,

however, just like the Indians in several South American countries rebel

against the treatment they get from corrupt governments, at least I

understand their total frustration and resentment. There will always be

a few who will resort to violence, (just as in Ferguson btw), but this

should never result in such a discriminating law,imho.

[sadoldgirl]

14. I forgot to say

that I am totally against the Patriot Act, as it showed not only a knee jerk reaction,
but is in total disregard to our constitution.

[catnhatnh]

15. Legislating Reprisals??? N/T