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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 04:19 PM Nov 2014

Residency, social security benefits are not a favor the authorities can bestow and withdraw at will

November 23, 2014



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced yesterday (22 November 2014) that he plans to promote a bill which would revoke the residency status and social security benefits of individuals who commit terrorist attacks or other serious offenses from nationalistic motives. Status and benefits would be denied both to the perpetrators themselves and their families. The scope of the bill remains unclear. The vast majority of people who hold permanent residency in Israel are Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, and these actions and statements are expressly directed against them. Furthermore, the media reported today that incoming Minister of Interior, Gilad Erdan, has revoked the permanent residency status of the man who drove the perpetrator of the suicide attack at the Dolphinarium nightclub in Tel Aviv in 2001, to the site of the attack. Twenty-one people were killed in the suicide attack. The driver, Mahmoud Nadi, was released from prison about five years ago. He is a permanent resident of Israel and lives in the town of Jaljulya. Three months ago Nadi received notice that the Minister of the Interior at the time planned to revoke his residency. Erdan said he would take action to revoke the residency status of all permanent residents who “carry out attacks, assist them, and justify them”

Residency status and social security benefits are not a favor or boon granted by the authorities. It is Israel’s fundamental obligation toward all individuals living in its territory, be they citizens or permanent residents. As long as Israel considers East Jerusalem part of the country, it cannot eschew these obligations, and they remain in effect even when citizens or residents break the law. This holds equally true for individuals who commit heinous crimes as for those guilty of crime evasion. Criminal activity is addressed by the justice system, which is in place exactly for this purpose. Authorities may not take any measures against the innocent family members of individuals have broken the law.

After Israel annexed East Jerusalem, it gave all residents of the annexed area permanent residency status. This status was one meant for immigrants who made the choice to live in Israel of their own volition. As such, permanent residency is a status weaker than that of citizenship, and thereby more readily revocable by the authorities. Yet, unlike immigrants, residents of East Jerusalem never chose to live in Israel. Instead, it is Israel that chose to enter the area they livein, occupy it and annex both the area and its residents. The formal phrase “permanent residency” is misleading. This status is far from permanent, as evinced by the recent revocation and by thousands of previous cases of revocation. The only permanent thing about this status is its temporary nature and instability.

http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20141123_revocation_of_residency

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Residency, social security benefits are not a favor the authorities can bestow and withdraw at will (Original Post) Jefferson23 Nov 2014 OP
I wonder if they told Canada this? King_David Nov 2014 #1
If you're suggesting they, B'Tselem, does not understand the law as it applies to EJ, Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #2
so Israel is invalidating passports after the person leaves to join extremest groups like Canada ? azurnoir Nov 2014 #3
Grasping at straws is more like it. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #4
More like an apt comparison, King_David Nov 2014 #5
Identical ideas King_David Nov 2014 #6
No they are not, revoking the passports of individuals who have left the country is quite different azurnoir Nov 2014 #7
A "crime" King_David Nov 2014 #8
If you say so but I'd disgree. it is most definately a very criminal act as terrorism is too a crime azurnoir Nov 2014 #9
Not the same thing. Shaktimaan Nov 2014 #10

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. If you're suggesting they, B'Tselem, does not understand the law as it applies to EJ,
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:02 PM
Nov 2014

I say, write them..tell them all about your information and see if they find it relevant.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. so Israel is invalidating passports after the person leaves to join extremest groups like Canada ?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:04 PM
Nov 2014

is that what your saying?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
5. More like an apt comparison,
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

In fact almost identical ideas .

Straws ?

I think it's pretty obvious both the same, in fact maybe Bibi even got the idea from his very good friend Harper.

A bad idea , but Israel is not the 1st democracy out the gate with it.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
6. Identical ideas
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:40 PM
Nov 2014

Both right wing governments in both countries--- that's exactly what I'm saying.

Hardly original idea of Bibis.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. No they are not, revoking the passports of individuals who have left the country is quite different
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
Nov 2014

from revoking the current residency of entire families because one member committed a crime

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. If you say so but I'd disgree. it is most definately a very criminal act as terrorism is too a crime
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:13 PM
Nov 2014

King_David
8. A "crime"

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Slaughtering in cold blood Jews in Synogogue is not a "crime"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488514#post8

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
10. Not the same thing.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:48 AM
Nov 2014

Revoking passports of individuals is hardly equivalent to revoking the residency of terrorists' families.

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