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Related: About this forumRiba u-turn over Israel boycott: 'We got it wrong'
British architects have reversed their call for Israeli counterparts to be suspended from an international union.
The Royal Institute of British Architects (Riba) confirmed the u-turn today when its council adopted a new policy on international affairs.
The move rescinded a motion which had been passed in March calling for Israelis to be barred from the International Union of Architects (UIA) in response to concerns about Palestinian human rights and Israeli settlement building.
Riba changed its stance after lawyers warned that such a policy was outside its charitable remit and could lead to Charity Committee censure.
The boycott is understood to have cost the institute more than £100,000 after Jewish supporters and groups pulled out of bookings to use its prestigious central London headquarters for batmitzvahs and other celebrations.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/126414/riba-u-turn-over-israel-boycott-we-got-it-wrong
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who's next...
LOL
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Simply fascinating.
King_David
(14,851 posts)I wouldn't let my kid be barmitzvahed there either , I wouldn't use the Boy Scouts hall either.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I mean, I get the boy scouts thing, seeing as how, you know, they actively work to persecute GLBT people both internally and externally through lobbying. But why not RIBA?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Same reason all those British Jews cancelled their functions.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...like Hamas who want Jews dead and Israel annihilated.
Why would u expect Jews to support organizations that call for harm against Jews?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Jews got pissed, as they should have.
RIBA did a U-turn.
This isn't rocket science.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Whether you agree or not, most Jews see BDS similarly today.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...a nazi boycott from the 1930's. That doesn't make them responsible for nazi actions, but it calls into serious question their support for racist boycott policy.
Why are u playing games?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...given that your support wouldn't lead to direct harming of Jews? If not, why would you oppose it? And what would you think of those who joined the Nazi boycott against Jews? After all, what harm are they doing?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)BDS wants to do harm to Jews. Supporting BDS is odious. That's why Jews turned against RIBA.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Are you saying that the British Jews that cancelled had no clue?
That Scootaloo somehow knows better than The British Jewish community about internal Jewish affairs?
I myself support this British Jewish communities action 100% and it was pretty damn effective .
They caved in to Jewish protest and power and action ....
.... complete reversal.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Especially since Shira has compared RIBA to both Hamas and Nazis, which seems to indicate the harm caused by RIBA must have been extremely dire. Maybe the "liberal;l media" didn't broadcast all the awful things RIBA did to Jews. So. You tell me, please?
King_David
(14,851 posts)It wasn't me who cancelled my kids barmitzvah .
So you know better about Jewish affairs than these Jews ?
Very interesting scootaloo...
Very interesting indeed , that you think that.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Nobody claimed RIBA hurt or caused harm to Jews.
That they disappointed or offended Jews for supporting an odious boycott, there's no question.
Of course, you'll insist we said something that we didn't, so kindly point it out.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"They adopted racist BDS policy that would harm Jews."
"Why would u expect Jews to support organizations that call for harm against Jews?"
"It would be similar to adopting the Nazi boycott of Jews in the 30's & 40's."
"It would be as bad as RIBA supporting a nazi boycott from the 1930's."
"Why did the Jewish community respond like they did In Britain and cancel there functions if no harm was meant to the Jews."
Show me where RIBA harmed Jews. it should be simple enough, right, since you and David are - well, were - so adamant about it. if you're confident enough to draw parallels between RIBA's decision, and the Nazi pogroms of Jews, then yes, I really want to see the evidence for what you are saying.
Neither of you have been able to back up any of your statements, at any level. And here, you are backing away from your own statements while Dave has gone incommunicado when pressed on his.
shira
(30,109 posts)..what you are claiming. What we said is that BDS seeks to harm Jews and anyone supporting that racist enterprise should be held accountable for doing so. Just as much as anyone supporting the Nazi boycott of Jews should be held accountable for supporting an odious cause meant to harm Jews.
That's it.
The rest is in your head.
We're done.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Show me the harm.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Pretty obvious.
What do you think the reason that so many Jews cancelled their functions there and so many Jews will no longer book their functions there ?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)In Britain and cancel there functions if no harm was meant to the Jews.
Do you know better than those Jews about their perception of harm to the Jews?
Why did the Jews respond like they did?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)You obviously think you know better than the Jewish community so help us out then .... Why were these many many many Jews in Britain wrong?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)But the one thing I know is the powerful action of the British Jewish community reversed their decision and was 100% effective .
MAZELTOV to those Jews , shcaich, victory is theirs .....
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and you applaud it ?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Hence I used the word "MAZELTOV "
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Against the Jew hating BDS movement.
No need wait for a pigs head to appear in their kosher store like the BDS did to the Jews in Johannesburg.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)And managed to get the BDS reversed 100%
Why did the Jews do that .... Ask them .
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Because those Jews can speak for themselves.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britains leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBAs decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and requiring Israel to observe International Law is bad-apparently
King_David
(14,851 posts)So it's from April 21 ?
So what? It's not an OP
Is 4/21 an unlucky day or something? Is it like Friday the 13th?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you didn't address that at all why?
King_David
(14,851 posts)I rather wanted to bask in the glory of the British Jewish community... Victory was there's in attaining a complete collapse and reversal and utter humiliation of this BDS attempt.
Shcaich to them.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to say the least and the so called bait was in your own post
Star Member King_David (10,090 posts)
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart
Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britains leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBAs decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489395#post5
King_David
(14,851 posts)Also the days of passive Jews is over.
Nothing good has ever come of that.
Active yet peaceful... Shcaich
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as much as say Woolworths in Johannesburg
King_David
(14,851 posts)Reversed a nasty BDS move.
Flawlessly
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart
Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britains leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBAs decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489395#post5
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)your refusal to address something that you threw into the mix can hardly be called "staying on topic"
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart
Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britains leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBAs decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11348939
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's not frustrating at all but let's review exactly what we're talking so that does not get lost, wouldn't want that would we?
your comment
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart
Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britains leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBAs decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11348939
and my inquiry relating to that
14. good of you to post this article from April 21
and requiring Israel to observe International Law is bad-apparently
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=89470
but it seems you do not wish to answer as to Israel's obligation(s) where international law is concerned; something that could be taken as an answer in and of itself
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That's awesome. It looks like they decided NOT to make a ridiculous point.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They tried to make a ridiculous point and in return it cost them over 100,000 pounds. They obviously had foolish advisers who have trouble thinking ahead.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)So you think because I think these people had shitty advisors who couldn't see ahead and see this biting them in the ass means I must live in a settlement in Israel. Because I disagree about the moronic bds movement, I must be one of those EVIL ISRAELI'S, right? You're really quite the schmuck - now scoot.