Benjamin Netanyahu Says Final Nuclear Deal Must Include Iran’s Recognition of Israel

[Eugene]

Source: New York Times

Benjamin Netanyahu Says Final Nuclear Deal Must Include Iran’s Recognition of Israel

By JODI RUDOREN APRIL 3, 2015

JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel introduced a new demand Friday for the final phase of negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, saying the completed deal must include an “unambiguous Iranian recognition of Israel’s right to exist.”

Mr. Netanyahu, the world’s most vocal critic of the emerging agreement between six world powers and Iran, convened a special session of his security cabinet on Friday, hours before the onset of the Passover holiday, to review the framework agreement announced the night before.

He emerged saying the group “is united in strongly opposing the proposed deal,” contending it “would pose a grave danger to the region and to the world, and would threaten the very survival of the state of Israel.”

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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-says-final-nuclear-deal-must-include-irans-recognition-of-israel.html

[Jefferson23]

1. blah blah blah, because I have nothing to say that is relevant...that's Bibi.

Read your charter on a Palestinian state, you know..where there will be none.

[fredamae]

2. Fine! Whatever!

Let's do a collection and send him a Big bouquet and a box of chocolates.....

[Botany]

3. How about Israel's recognition that Palestine should exist?

Dear Bibi,

Fuck off!

love,
the world

[Fred Sanders]

4. Bibi and Republicans are trolling the entire world. Recognize Palestine...problem solved.

[oberliner]

5. That is total BS

Do you seriously think Iran would be cool with the existence of Israel if they recognized Palestine?

[Fred Sanders]

6. Iran is already cool, they want peace, so obviously it is Bibi and 100 nuclear bomb armed Israel blowing for hot war.

Bibi and Republicans against the world...that is true, no?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. 400 plus bombs.

[Fred Sanders]

9. Who really knows? This very fact puts the lie to any Israeli argument that Iran is the outcast.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. My dad was in the defense industry...

and worked on components of MIRV payload reentry vehicles: Missile x (aka peace keeper) in addition to other black programs.

One thing that he did fill me in in was that the US had a very good idea on Israeli non-conventional capabilities.

Israel had more that 100 bombs back in the 80s-90s.

[King_David]

13. Probably right , if your dad told you...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Seeing how he had the knowledge that you

sadly lack...

[Ageless Democrat]

30. Considering these missiles are over 30 years old...

It may not work.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. Welcome back once more.

[bemildred]

14. Two hundred to four hundred are the numbers I usually see, but they don't really know.

That they have them is not really in question, and it was not the USA that collaborated with them in development. We didn't become such good friends until Raygun and the Iranian revolution. After that Israel looked like a port in a storm.

I find this useful here from time to time:

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

[Jefferson23]

10. Pinch hitting and quite the candid plea:

snip*Even if you think their concerns are unfounded, can you at least acknowledge that it might not be just that Israelis wanted to start a war against Iran for the hell of it, but that many of them are genuinely alarmed by the potential of a country whose leader has such deep disdain for the Israeli people potentially developing a nuclear weapons capability?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026455155

[Mosby]

16. They want peace? Why are their fighters in Iraq, Lebanon Syria and Gaza? For peace?

I'm just continually stunned that DUers are so blase about Iranian aggression, they are probably the most actively aggressive country in the world today.

And Bibi is correct, if they can't at a fucking minimum accept Israel as a country they why should anyone trust them at all?

[Scootaloo]

19. Really?

Iraq

To fight IS.

Lebanon

They're not, having left in 2000.

Syria

They're not.

Gaza

They're not.

And Bibi is correct, if they can't at a fucking minimum accept Israel as a country they why should anyone trust them at all?

Within what borders should they recognize Israel?

[Mosby]

20. The reality

Lebanon

They're not, having left in 2000.

...With significant support from Iran and Syria, Hezbollah maintains an extensive security apparatus, political organization, and social services network in Lebanon, where the group is often described as a "state within the state."

http://www.cfr.org/lebanon/hezbollah-k-hizbollah-hizbullah/p9155

Syria

They're not.

Hezbollah’s deepening involvement in Syria is one of the most important factors of the conflict in 2013 and 2014. Since the beginning of 2013, Hezbollah fighters have operated openly and in significant numbers across the border alongside their Syrian and Iraqi counterparts. They have enabled the regime to regain control of rebel-held areas in central Syria and have improved the effectiveness of pro-regime forces. The impact of Hezbollah’s involvement in Syria has been felt not just on the battlefield, where the regime now has momentum in many areas, but also in Lebanon where growing sectarian tensions have undermined security and stability.

http://www.understandingwar.org/report/hezbollah-syria

Gaza

They're not.

Israel is seeing Iranian influence in the Gaza Strip, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said on Tuesday during a tour of the IDF Southern Command with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“Iran’s arms are actually sent to every possible place in the Middle East,” Ya’alon said. “The support for Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the support for Hamas – we see the arms beyond the borders of the [Southern] Command, too, [but also] in Lebanon with Hezbollah, on the Golan Heights, in the front they are trying to open against us, and as they declare, they wish to set up a terrorism infrastructure in Judea and Samaria.”

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Yaalon-We-see-Iranian-influence-in-Gaza-392090

[geek tragedy]

21. so you consider Moshe Ya'alon a credible voice on foreign affairs.

Not surprising.

[Mosby]

25. iranian funding of Hamas isn't exactly a secret

Except maybe for you.

[Fred Sanders]

42. Conflating two issues....just like Bibi..support YOUR President, not a foreign leader. If Obama is

YOUR President and YOUR party leader?

[Scootaloo]

22. Hezbollah is a separate entity from Iran.

They're allied, but they are separate entities. Unless you want to apply this logic everywhere? That would look very strange. But hey, if you want to say that the United States is occupying Palestine...?

Israel is seeing Iranian influence in the Gaza Strip

And Senator McCarthy saw Soviet influence in his corn flakes every morning.

[Mosby]

28. when Iran told them to go into Syria and fight they followed orders

At least 1500 hezbo fighters have died in syria so far...

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hezbollah-suffers-sharp-increase-in-casualties-in-Syria-fighting-344952

http://www.timesofisrael.com/after-losing-1000-men-in-syria-hezbollah-builds-security-zone/

Iran is believed to fund Hezbollah to the tune of at least $100 million per year. Recently, Western diplomats and analysts in Lebanon estimated Hezbollah receives closer to $200 million a year from Iran. (10) The increase is likely due to Iran's keen interest in undermining prospects for Israeli-Palestinian peace (and, in general, further destabilizing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict), and Hezbollah's growing role as Iran's proxy to achieve this goal. Hezbollah success in funding and training Palestinian groups -- not just the Iran's interest in it -- may well explain the increase in funding since Iran is known to employ a results-oriented approach to determining the level of funding it is willing to provide terrorist groups. As a U.S. court noted in Weinstein v. Iran, the period of 1995-1996 "was a peak period for Iranian economic support of Hamas because Iran typically paid for results, and Hamas was providing results by committing numerous bus bombings such as the one on February 25, 1996." (11) Iranian funding to terrorist groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad (most often funneled via Hezbollah) increases when they carry out successful attacks and decreases when they fail, are thwarted or are postponed due to ceasefires or other political considerations.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/hezbollah-finances-funding-the-party-of-god

[oberliner]

40. "Iran is already cool, they want peace..."

This is a lie.

They definitely do not want peace with Israel. They are actively working to arm and support violent resistance against Israel.

[Fred Sanders]

41. Starting every second response with "that is BS" or "that is a lie" is monotonous. Iran wants peace, how

many times must Rouhani say it? How many detailed agreements need to be signed with the international community?

How many assurances do you need....while Israel wants to bomb...fuck the consequences.

You are on the wrong side of a planet wanting to give peace a chance...or is that not your goal either?

What is your alternative?

Truly, if you do not have a detailed alternative to a detailed peace plan...that then there is a mountain of BS.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. I find it comically sad that...

1.Bibi wants to scuttle diplomacy

2. Bibi wants the USA to attack Iran

3. Bibi wants recognition for Israel, but not for Palestine

4. Bibi wants to continue with aggressive colonization and apartheid

5. There are always poor excuses, made by by some, to use points 1-4 to distract from reality.

[Mosby]

17. lets go through your list

1. you made up.

2. you made up

3. you made up.

4. you made up.

5. you made up.

That pretty much covers it.

[Scootaloo]

23. You have difficulty arguing when you can't source Israel Hayom or Truthrevolt, don't you?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. Um, no. All the points I made are correct,

and some can't handle reality-based reality.

[King_David]

43. Actuall was a very accurate post by Mosby

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

44. You're up to you eyeballs in the Nile.

So nothing new with you, dave...

[BillZBubb]

35. Sorry, he is correct on ALL points.

You on the other hand have propaganda points.

[King_David]

45. I don't think so..

Here's a good thread to illustrate.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026408547

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Bibi NuttinEgo becomes more irrelevant

with each demand he makes.

Hey Bibi Baby-killer, you're nit involved in the negotiations. Kindly fekk off.

[Aerows]

18. Is he also demanding

a pony and another piece of cake before bed, too?

What a petulant child.

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Who are you talking to ?

[louis-t]

27. Uh, he's not really involved in negotiations, last time I looked....

Is he?

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. My thought exactly ...

though I suspect he is talking to the U.S. Congress ... giving them a reasonable sounding reason to scuttle any agreement.

[BillZBubb]

36. Yes, that is his game.

He, like all the Israeli right wingers, always works to find a poison pill to scuttle any chance for a real peace deal.

[Thinkingabout]

31. Is this another attempt by Netanyahu to put some control on the negotiations

He has knowledge the talks was happening and decided he could throw his weight around by running to the GOP Congress, perhaps his time could have been placed trying to have Iran recognize Israel rather than trying to push war in the Congress.

[Little Tich]

34. That's a bizarre statement, coming from a nuclear rogue state, no less.

It's worrisome that the one person that can start a nuclear war in the middle-east is a fuckwit.

[BillZBubb]

37. That twit has no place at the negotiating table.

His demands are a laughable attempt to get a "poison pill" addendum to the treaty. He's used this same tactic before.

[guillaumeb]

38. not being a party to the negotiations

but always eager to kill any deal that might lessen the possibility of war in the area,

Netanyahu "demands" that Iran jump through a hoop.

And if they did jump, Netanyahu would simply raise the hoop higher and issue another demand.

How about mutual nuclear disarmament for the whole region?

[Jefferson23]

46. US rejects Netanyahu’s demand for Iranian recognition of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-rejects-netanyahu-demand-for-iranian-recognition-of-israel/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. HA.

Bibi the petulant child gets spanked again.

And the hasbara spin will flow against President Obama soon enough.

[Jefferson23]

48. On Iran, they can go whistle..that's the message and it is not going to change.

The neocons lost that one, thankfully.