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Guilt And Grief Over Sons Suicide Led Tyler Clementis Parents To Leave Church
Following the suicide of their son Tyler Clementi, his parents particularly his mother, Jane have struggled to deal with the inevitable guilt. In an interview with The New York Times, Jane and Joe Clementi share how their sons death forced them to look at life and themselves differently and spurred Janes decision to leave her church.
People talk about coming out of the closet its parents coming out of the closet, too. I wasnt really ready for that, Mrs. Clementi admits. She was surprised at her sons coming-out having thought they had a pretty open relationship and proceeded to question Tyler, who was only two days away from leaving for Rutgers.
Tyler later described the revelation to a friend via text, claiming that his mom basically completely rejected him.
It did not change the fact that I loved my son, Mrs. Clementi told the Times. I did need to think about how that would fit into my thoughts on homosexuality. She had no idea that Tyler felt rejected by her, however. Mrs. Clementi had long suspected Tylers brother James was gay and had spoken to Tyler about the fact. Tyler knew we werent going to reject him or stop paying for college for him or not let him come home, because James had done all those things and we had a good relationship.
Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/tyler-clementi-parents-church-20120827/#ixzz24lMfQdMH
Raster
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Tyler later described the revelation to a friend via text, claiming that his mom basically completely rejected him.
It did not change the fact that I loved my son, Mrs. Clementi told the Times. I did need to think about how that would fit into my thoughts on homosexuality. She had no idea that Tyler felt rejected by her, however. Mrs. Clementi had long suspected Tylers brother James was gay and had spoken to Tyler about the fact. Tyler knew we werent going to reject him or stop paying for college for him or not let him come home, because James had done all those things and we had a good relationship.
While Joe Clementi argues that his son was simply engaging in typical teenage hyperbole Just to be clear: Tyler had two parents, and I didnt have any problem with it. He had support. the guilt still weighs heavy on his wifes shoulders. Obviously he felt that way, he needed to tell his friend that, she laments.
"....simply engaging in typical teenage hyperbole..."? Your son killed himself. I think that moves beyond "typical teenage hyperbole."
xchrom
(108,903 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)I always try to find the good in people, no matter who, and speak good of them or else say nothing.
The reason I find this difficult to talk about is that Tyler killed himself - probably due in some part to the homophobia of the religion to which they belonged.
The way in which religious homophobia has led so many gay people to hate themselves (and to experience depression and to also make attempts on their own lives) is not anything new or shocking. This is a fact that has long been recognized by not only anthropologists and sociologists, but in gay people's accounts of their own background and upbringing.
It's easy as an observer to say, 'well, I would have left that church long before this happened,' but in fact, we know many people do NOT leave, even gay people.
So I'm not sure what to think about the Clementi's or if I even want to say anything more. They have my condolences, of course.
On edit, I did want to say that I find her remark "Parents come out of the closet, too!" to be more than a little offensive. Because all that serves to do is to point the finger back at Tyler - for being honest with his parents. Just wow - what can one say about that.
Raster
(20,998 posts)....mormon church are only just a step or two above adulterers and murderers. You can be Gay in the church as long as: (1) you never act upon it, meaning absolutely no Gay sex or sexual relationships; (2) you recognize that you are always at the cusp of sin; (3) and you recognize that you are broken in some way and need to do everything you can in the church's eyes to "pray away teh gay."
I have personally witnessed the process in which a friend that was first dis-fellowshiped and then excommunicated from the mormon church because he was gay. The process resembled something out of the Salem witch trails, culminating in my friend literally being shunned by his mormon friends and family for the rest of his life.
My heart goes out to his parents, but even more so, my heart goes out to the beautiful young man, a gifted violinist and, by all counts from friends, a loving caring person who thought he was already rejected at home and now -- because of a heinous, insensitive, callous "prank" -- would be rejected in his college life.
Tyler Clementi is the victim here. Victimized by his church, his family and his roommate.
Bless his heart. I do hope there is something beyond this life, something more than just this existence. And I hope that Tyler has found the caring and acceptance he could not find in his life.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)It wasn't just the roommate that killed Tyler Clemente.
JI7
(89,239 posts)he was charged with something else which he was guilty of.
Plantaganet
(241 posts)Initech
(100,036 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,169 posts)Now perhaps they can stand outside that hateful place and offer their home to others who need to escape before they too end their precious beautiful lives.