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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:49 AM Jan 2012

Mixed reaction to Obama’s SOTU address

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2012/01/25/mixed-reaction-to-obamas-sotu-address/


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But any reference to LGBT policy issues were absent from the speech. Obama only mentioned “gay” as part of a list of categories of people who could serve in uniform — a reference to ”Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal.

“When you put on that uniform, it doesn’t matter if you’re black or white; Asian or Latino; conservative or liberal; rich or poor; gay or straight,” Obama said.

A mention of LGBT issues wasn’t expected in the speech, although state advocates said an endorsement of marriage equality in the address could help with efforts to pass such legislation in Washington State and Maryland.

The president also faced calls to declare his intent to issue an executive order barring federal dollars from going to companies that lack LGBT-inclusive non-discrimination policies.

John Aravosis, who’s gay and editor of AMERICAblog, said Obama could have gone further in his speech to address LGBT issues.

“I didn’t really expect him to come out for marriage equality or even announce his support for an executive order on ENDA,” Aravosis said. “But at the very least he could have, should have, mentioned ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and recognized the two lesbians invited to sit with the first lady. It was far more understated than I think it should have been.”

The lesbians that Aravosis referenced were two guests that attended the speech in the first lady’s box with Michelle Obama after receiving invitations from the White House. The president made no mention of them in his address.
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Mixed reaction to Obama’s SOTU address (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2012 OP
Let's face it. I think the President still has issues.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #1
That's the spirit! vulture socialist Jan 2012 #11
I also think he fears losing some votes too if he came out much in support of LGBT in the SOTU RKP5637 Jan 2012 #12
Yeah, he sure does fear losing votes, and we all should fear MarkCharles Jan 2012 #14
My hope is he will be reelected and with another election not lurking in the future he RKP5637 Jan 2012 #16
My hope is the same as yours, and would be more well .. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #17
Definitely!!! That, would be the best of all worlds! RKP5637 Jan 2012 #18
Given the ridiculous people running for President on the Republican side, let's MarkCharles Jan 2012 #19
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2012 #21
Was there an Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #2
I remember hearing that from Rachel, she knows all !!! MarkCharles Jan 2012 #20
To do more would be considered bold by Obama... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #3
tepid. cautious. etc. it's what dems seem to excell in these days. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #4
Hey, if Bush can steal an election and the Dems don't make a sound... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #5
indeed no. and that is sort of the perfect predictor for where we are today xchrom Jan 2012 #6
True, and it's very disappointing... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #7
well -- i think we live in post democracy america. xchrom Jan 2012 #8
Glad to see your a realist like myself... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #9
i would be surprised if it goes all survivalist. xchrom Jan 2012 #10
Democrats IMO are afraid to take the bold progressive actions needed and RKP5637 Jan 2012 #15
That, sums it up quite well IMO. We live in a post democracy america struggling to RKP5637 Jan 2012 #13
 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
1. Let's face it. I think the President still has issues..
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jan 2012

he needs to resolve in his mind.

He's not as great an advocate as we would like, for sure.

I think that maybe he fears loosing some votes in critical states in the 2012 elections, and thus has kept his comments to a minimum. For Obama, it's a political calculation more than anything, I fear.

But look at the alternative candidates, there simply are none worthy of consideration in 2012.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
12. I also think he fears losing some votes too if he came out much in support of LGBT in the SOTU
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jan 2012

with all eyes on him. It shouldn't be that way in a country that professes equality, but there are quite a few in this country far short of embracing quality for all types of people. It always amazes me women have a struggle for equality in this country, like WTF.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
14. Yeah, he sure does fear losing votes, and we all should fear
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jan 2012

someone like Romney or Gingrich getting in there.

Sad as it might seem, we don't have a real choice of what we really want, but at least we can get more results with Obama in the next 4 years than we got in his first four. If we don't we can blame him then, not now. He has to be re-elected, we know. Sorry, but that's the best we can get these days, but it's true.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
16. My hope is he will be reelected and with another election not lurking in the future he
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jan 2012

might be far more progressive. It's such a horrible balancing act he's faced with each day. If one of these fools gets in from the republican camp, I do think the US as once known will be history. I just think it's going to be a dreadful place. ... but somehow those that vote republican just can't see that ... that most vote in the worse possible manner for their future. It's become a very very strange place in many ways.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
17. My hope is the same as yours, and would be more well ..
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jan 2012

realistic, if we can get both House and Senate as a Dem Majority.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
19. Given the ridiculous people running for President on the Republican side, let's
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:41 PM
Jan 2012

both do what we need to, in order to get the Republican majority out of the House, and keep it in the Senate.

 

Sera_Bellum

(140 posts)
2. Was there an
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jan 2012

active female Col. in the box? I believe there was mention of her in the warm up on MSNBC. Of course, it was Rachel who mentioned it.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
20. I remember hearing that from Rachel, she knows all !!!
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jan 2012

She's my number one journalistic hero of the world, I so agree with her. Rachel ROCKS!!!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
3. To do more would be considered bold by Obama...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jan 2012

He doesn't do bold...even allt he stuff about the middle class is pretty tepid when you think about how the repukes have REALLY SCREWED the middle class over the years.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
5. Hey, if Bush can steal an election and the Dems don't make a sound...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jan 2012

Can we expect them to speak boldly on anything???

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
6. indeed no. and that is sort of the perfect predictor for where we are today
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:29 PM
Jan 2012

on a range of issues. lgbtiq issues being at the top for us.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
7. True, and it's very disappointing...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jan 2012

Society is changing much more quickly than Dem members of congress seem to realize, they are following, not leading.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
8. well -- i think we live in post democracy america.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jan 2012

it's newish -- but the vote, institutions, etc -- have failed. i mean really failed -- after katrina & bp/gulf -- this ongoing economic decline -- it's going to be about trying to control just how dysfunctional we become.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. Glad to see your a realist like myself...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jan 2012

I just wonder how bad it will get within our lifetimes and if it can be reversed.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
10. i would be surprised if it goes all survivalist.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jan 2012

but i think there is no real attempt to restore competence in our institutions, no real attempt to give a quality, public education to our children{not talking t the MIC, etc.

so more bad recessions, enduring awful unemployment, stagflation as a feature of our lives -- more of the same but entrenched.

that's what i think a dystopia looks like.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
15. Democrats IMO are afraid to take the bold progressive actions needed and
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jan 2012

therefore walk on this kinda of squishy fence of not trying to offend anyone, and to not interrupt the stream of contributions/potential voters from juxtapositional areas of interest.

The conflicts are horrendous and hence we muddle along.

My thoughts are the next several years are going to be very good or very bad ... I think we're really now at the tipping point one way or the other.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
13. That, sums it up quite well IMO. We live in a post democracy america struggling to
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jan 2012

stay afloat, struggling to not slide into a truly dysfunctional and dystopic society. I think we walk on the edge ... everyday with tepid at best resiliency ...

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