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Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:20 PM

American who helped craft Uganda’s ‘Kill the Gays’ bill to be tried for crimes against humanity

The First Circuit Court of Appeals has denied Pastor Scott Lively’s petition to have a crimes against humanity lawsuit against him dropped.

The anti-gay pastor will stand trial in a federal court in Massachusetts for his part in crafting Uganda’s notorious Anti-Homosexuality Act, popularly known as the “Kill the Gays” bill. The bill was largely the product of a workshop held in Uganda by Lively and two other american anti-gay activists, focused on “how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how ‘the gay movement is an evil institution’ whose goal is ‘to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

In spite of the pending suit and national condemnation for his actions, Lively has not backed down. Earlier this week, during an appearance on “Trunews,” he stated that homosexuality was worse than mass murder, because it was to blame for Noah’s flood.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/232101/american-who-helped-craft-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-to-be-tried-for-crimes-against-humanity/

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Reply American who helped craft Uganda’s ‘Kill the Gays’ bill to be tried for crimes against humanity (Original post)
n2doc Dec 2014 OP
PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #1
blm Dec 2014 #2
kiri Dec 2014 #29
shenmue Dec 2014 #3
Xipe Totec Dec 2014 #4
AlbertCat Dec 2014 #7
Hekate Dec 2014 #13
AlbertCat Dec 2014 #17
Xipe Totec Dec 2014 #18
Kalidurga Dec 2014 #5
AlbertCat Dec 2014 #6
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #12
greiner3 Dec 2014 #35
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #40
Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2014 #19
alp227 Dec 2014 #8
SamKnause Dec 2014 #10
Kokonoe Dec 2014 #16
Hekate Dec 2014 #15
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #25
DemoTex Dec 2014 #9
dembotoz Dec 2014 #11
rurallib Dec 2014 #14
sakabatou Dec 2014 #20
totodeinhere Dec 2014 #21
closeupready Dec 2014 #38
kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #22
alfredo Dec 2014 #23
sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #24
AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #26
Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #33
alcina Dec 2014 #41
Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #43
SylviaD Dec 2014 #44
Jamastiene Dec 2014 #52
Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #27
Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #34
Socal31 Dec 2014 #28
burrowowl Dec 2014 #30
blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #31
RationalMan Dec 2014 #32
MNBrewer Dec 2014 #36
closeupready Dec 2014 #37
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #39
classof56 Dec 2014 #42
RKP5637 Dec 2014 #45
HoosierCowboy Dec 2014 #46
samsingh Dec 2014 #47
DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #48
William769 Dec 2014 #49
Initech Dec 2014 #50
merrily Dec 2014 #51

Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:22 PM

1. This is a good start

may justice prevail. And that those hearing the case are not scared off by the right wing nutjobs.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:23 PM

2. Good news.

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Response to blm (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:51 PM

29. got 19,000 votes

This idiot Scott Lively ran for Governor of Massachusetts, and last month got 19,000 votes.
He has a sidekick, Brian Camenker, who writes at Massresistance.com There is a contact-us page.



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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:23 PM

3. Yes!

Hope they throw the book at him.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:27 PM

4. Throw him under the arc. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:13 PM

7. Ark....

 

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:14 PM

13. Maybe the Ark is long but bends towards Justice, after all.

Or possibly a reference to keelhauling a miscreant sailor.

Sometimes a typo is just a typo, and sometimes it's a Freudian slip.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:27 PM

17. I love a good typo!

 

They can be great puns!

Perhaps it was a carbon arc.... (so don't look directly at it)

Typos.... I've made some doozies! One of my faves (that I still do) is "Waist of time". Is that anything like the "neck of time"?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:27 PM

18. Grammer Police!


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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:31 PM

5. Good maybe we will have some justice in at least one quarter.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:12 PM

6. because it was to blame for Noah’s flood.

 

He's a delusional nut.

Put him an institution and medicate him so he can't hurt anybody (else)

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:37 PM

12. People like this believe they are God's instrument....

 

And their god is an angry god who's obsessed with sex.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:16 PM

35. Those who believe they are 'God's instrument;

 

Have a 'form' of Messiah Complex.

A messiah complex (also known as the Christ complex or savior complex) is a state of mind in which an individual holds a belief that they are, or are destined to become, a savior. The term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), but symptoms of the disorder closely resemble those found in individuals suffering from grandiose delusions (GD) or delusions of grandeur. This form of delusional belief is most often reported in patients suffering from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Little is known about the disorder, but it is believed that as many as 10% of the population may hold similar beliefs in one form or another, though not significant enough to warrant a diagnosis.[1] Examples include Jim Jones, David Koresh[2] and Imran Khan.[3][4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 03:11 PM

40. I've met some that freak out over my being an atheist and claim I'm EVIL....

 

One of them once started spouting what amounts to a spell to cast out my demon.

Didn't work.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:30 PM

19. It is funny...Gays caused the flood yet,

as far as I can tell, it is heterosexual sex (ie: penis/vaginal sex) that has led to all deaths everywhere. At least until the advent of artificial insemination, that is.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:14 PM

8. Why not the Bush administration for torture and war crimes? Nt

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Response to alp227 (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:29 PM

10. We have been instructed to look forward not backward.

We have a corrupt government that protects the interests of the political elites, Wall Street, war profiteers, CEO's, big oil & gas, and global corporations.

We have a two tier justice system.

We have an atrociously cruel penal system.

The decisions of the Supreme Court are not sound in law.

President Obama continues to appoint the most anti Democratic people.

Our news media are bought and paid for TV personalities.

The rule of law does NOT apply to everyone.

There is so much shit wrong we will never get rid of the stench.

It truly sickens me.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:21 PM

16. This---President Obama continues to appoint the most anti Democratic people.

President Obama continues to appoint the most anti Democratic people.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:19 PM

15. Why not do what we CAN do, and call it a good start. If this evil minister....

....can be not only tried but convicted in a US court on charges of crimes against humanity, that would send a powerful message.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:20 PM

25. Believe it or not that evil man

just ran for Governor of Massachusetts. Sadly some people actually voted for him.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:25 PM

9. Pastor Steven Anderson (Arizona), you paying attention?

This nut-job wants to kill gays to end aids. Fuck these guys and the pseudo-apocalyptic horses they rode in on.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:34 PM

11. to be covered by fox as part of the war on christmas

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:18 PM

14. every now and then it feels good to hear justice may happen

even better when it does.

Like seeing the guy who just passed you driving way over the speed limit being talked to by the hiway patrol on the side of the road a few minutes later.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:42 PM

20. Good

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:59 PM

21. Unfortunately this is a civil case, not a criminal one.

If he loses the suit he would be responsible for monetary damages but there would be no criminal penalties such as jail time.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:43 PM

38. True, however, Paris Hilton was denied entrance to Japan

 

in light of her brushes with the law.

Having this kind of publicity would not portend well for someone like him who apparently travels abroad on occasion.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:23 PM

22. Will they also try Pat Robertson and Hagee? nt

 

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:17 PM

23. May he suffer decades in isolation.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 05:54 PM

24. Is this guy a member of The Family?

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:27 PM

26. May this bastard receive every bit of the punishment that he rightly deserves....nt

 

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:00 AM

33. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

 

Dress him up in drag, smear lipstick all over his face, make his mascara drip down his cheeks, and kick him out of a helicopter after setting down in a completely backwards and homophobic Ugandan village.

I wonder if he'd want to change his mind then?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:13 PM

41. I've stayed pretty quiet on this topic over the years

And nothing personal, Elmer, but your post pushed me to finally speak up.

I have a good friend who grew up with Scott Lively, and this is what I've been told. Since this friend never speaks publicly about this, I've not felt comfortable repeating it, even in this somewhat anonymous environment. But I think those calling for retribution need to understand some of the background. It certainly doesn't excuse Lively's actions or words, but it might help explain them. This is not *just* a hateful human being hell-bent on destroying people who don't think like him. This is someone who has suffered more than a lot of us can ever understand.

My friend and Lively spent the bulk of their childhoods together. If you read the various bios on Lively, he repeatedly mentions growing up in a troubled home, which led to his being an alcoholic by the age of twelve. (See, eg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively.) Though he has been accused of being an unrepentant liar, this much is true. He also claims that his father succumbed to mental illness and was locked up when Scott was 16. Somewhat true, or perhaps true in Scott's definition of mental illness. The fact is, Scott and his siblings spent their childhoods being physically, emotionally, and sexually assaulted by their father. Their mother, their extended family, and the community apparently suspected or knew to some degree, but none provided much help. These were children left at the mercy of a monster, and they all coped as best they could. One of the siblings, if I recall correctly, eventually committed suicide. At least two turned to religion. Most turned to drugs or alcohol. Despite this, most of them managed to put together some sort of functional adult life. But from what I understand, the ones whose lives are closest to normal and healthy were able to achieves this only after extensive therapy. Scott obviously chose another route.

I find it very telling that, while he openly discusses his "difficult childhood," nowhere can I find any mention of him claiming to have been sexually abused. But I have complete confidence that what my friend has told me is true. My friend has the scars to prove it.

As I said earlier, this doesn't excuse what Lively has done. His words and actions are reprehensible and he definitely needs to be held accountable. But to those who say they hope he "gets a taste of his own medicine," I have to say, he already has.

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Response to alcina (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:14 PM

43. No, he hasn't

 

All due respect, he needs to be punished for this. This is WAAAYYYYYYY over the top. I'm sorry about his childhood, but we need to call out people like this and they need to be made to stop.

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Response to alcina (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:20 PM

44. Thank you for this post and this information. n/t

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Response to alcina (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:03 AM

52. Has he had a tire wrapped around his neck and set on fire,

then had to run from a large mob throwing molotovs and concrete blocks at his head? Has he been hung and tortured by an angry mob? No? Well, he hasn't had a taste of his own medicine yet. Those are the types of things that happen to gay people in countries with harsh penalties for gay people. Those countries that have been visited and taught that vicious version of Christianity by people like him do those types of things to gay people. They WANT gay people stoned to death and necklaced.

I, personally, would not want anything like that type of torture and summary lynching done to ANYONE, but when it comes to a taste of his own medicine, those are the types of things countries that have anti-gay laws like those do.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:44 PM

27. This is focus on the family garbage. That organization is stacked with homophobic, apocalyptic,

exclusionary, very frightening, very powerful people. They are at the center of much of this hate-filled, fear-mongering xtian fundamentalism.

What happened to their thought process as they were growing up that caused them to be so filled with hatred and power over the masses?

We must figure out a way to identify and successfully treat people who are so hate filled and power hungry.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:02 AM

34. Focus on the Republicans

 

There was a time that I would have qualified that, but alas it pretty much represents all of them now. They own it, so they have to either condemn it, or wear it.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:44 PM

28. Unfortunately it is a tad misleading.

Civil, not criminal.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:15 AM

30. Even if a Civil Case

it can maybe help stop these people.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:05 AM

31. "THE FAMILY" (aka "THE FELLOWSHIP") is going on trial ?!?!

 

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:33 AM

32. This will send the fundies further over the edge.....

They will claim this is an attack on their freedom to practice their religion because advocating death to people you don't like is a natural part of any religious practice.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:44 PM

36. Noah's flood? LOL. Prove it in court, bub

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:39 PM

37. Good, and when you're found guilty, DB, try traveling abroad as an undesirable.

 

You will be persona non grata in quite a number of civilized places. Serves you fucking right. K&R

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:24 PM

39. Meanwhile in Uganda...

"Lawmakers hatch plan to reintroduce anti-gays Bill"

http://www.monitor.co.ug/Magazines/PeoplePower/Lawmakers-hatch-plan-to-reintroduce-anti-gays-Bill/-/689844/2547332/-/omksoj/-/index.html


I wrote a long comment in the comment section imploring them not to allow this hate speech American to sway them, and asked why they had not run this story about Scott Lively's lawsuit, his charge of Crimes against Humanity.

But the comments are moderated, so when I went back today to see if there was a discussion, there was nothing there.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:03 PM

42. Good. Hope he finally gets his.

He left a trail of wreckage here in Oregon. Let's have some justice for this evil man disguising himself as a christian!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:54 AM

45. This guy is a total wacko and should be tried for MURDER! n/t

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:29 AM

46. Got the Bible wrong on that one too...

...like most white Fundie morons that spout Biblically inspired rants, this clod obviously never read the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because Yahweh disproved of their lifestyle choices.

Yahweh flooded the Earth because the product of His Creation turned out to be assholes. kinda like Pastor Lively.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:29 PM

47. how many lives have these horrible disgusting idiots destroyed?

i hope they go to prison

maybe they'll get closer to sodomy firsthand

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:31 AM

48. another atheist promotional spokesperson

 

We can now add this defective human to the long list of 'Christians' who without knowing it promote atheism, as no one would want to believe in anything they proclaim to believe in.

George Bush served and still serves as the perfect poster boy for why you would not want to be labeled Christian.

The number of so called Christians (such as Sarah Palin) who cheered, as our paid mercenaries vaporized millions of Iraqi's in Americas latest but not last 'murder for hire' sealed my revulsion for Christians

Long live the heathen

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:20 PM

49. Kick & recommend.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:21 AM

50. Scott Lively and Rick Warren should both stand trial.

It's pretty well documented that Rick Warren is as deep in this as Scott Lively is. and met with Ugandan leaders at his megachurch several times to help craft that bill. I'd like to tell him where he can stick that purpose driven bullshit...

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:29 AM

51. Wouldn't that be just about every fundraiser and policy maker for The Family and The Fellowship,

including many US politicians at the local, state and federal levels? Meanwhile, [strike] their tool [/strike] the anti-gay pastor is a start. How about nations other than Uganda? The same POSs that peddle their venom in Uganda peddle it in other countries, too. And, I guess Freedoms of Speech and Religion will be a big issue in any trial.

Crikey. These people try my efforts to be non-violent.

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