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appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:38 PM Jul 2021

Few, No Vaccine Side Effects, Am I Still Protected? Don't Feel Bad, If You Don't Feel Bad: Experts

- NPR, 'You Don't Have To Suffer To Benefit From Covid Vaccination- But Some Prefer It,' April 27, 2021. - Excerpts, Ed.

.. Roughly half of those vaccinated with the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, and in particular women, experience unpleasantness- from hot, sore arms to chills, headache, fever and exhaustion. Some boast about it and often welcome it. Suspicion grew in the mind of Patricia Mandatori, an immigrant in LA when she hardly felt the needle going in after her first dose of the Moderna vaccine.. A day later, though, with satisfaction she says it "felt like a truck hit me. When I started to feel rotten I says, 'Yay, I got the vaccination.' I was happy. I felt relieved."

While the symptoms show your immune system is responding to the vaccine in a way that will protect against disease, evidence from clinical trials showed that people with few or no symptoms were also protected. Don't feel bad if you don't feel bad, the experts say.. To be sure, there is some evidence of stronger immune response in younger people — and in those who get sick when vaccinated. A small study at the University of Penn. showed that people who reported systemic side effects such as fever, chills and headache may have had somewhat higher levels of antibodies. The large trial for Pfizer's vaccine showed the same trend in younger patients.

But that doesn't mean people who don't react to the vaccine severely are less protected, says Dr. Joanna Schaenman at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. While the symptoms of illness are undoubtedly part of the immune response, the immune response that counts is protection, she says. "That is preserved across age groups and likely to be independent of whether you had local or systemic side effects or not." The immune system responses that produce post-vaccination symptoms are thought to be triggered by proteins called toll-like receptors, which reside on certain immune cells.

These receptors are less functional in older people, who are also likely to have chronic, low-grade activation of their immune systems that paradoxically mutes the more rapid response to a vaccine. But other parts of their immune systems are responding more gradually to the vaccine by creating the specific types of cells needed to protect against the coronavirus. These are the so-called memory B cells, which make antibodies to attack the virus, and "killer T cells" that track and destroy virus-infected cells.. Whether you have a strong reaction to the vaccine "is an interesting but, in a sense, not vital question," says Dr. William Schaffner at Vanderbilt Univ. Center. The bottom line, he says: "Don't worry about it."...

- Read The Full Article,
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/27/990992425/you-dont-have-to-suffer-to-benefit-from-covid-vaccination-but-some-prefer-it
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- Scientific American, 'If You Don’t Have COVID Vaccine Side Effects, Are You Still Protected? Reactions reflect unique features of an individual’s immune system, not the strength of a response,' April 1, 2021.

Last month Robert Duehmig and Bill Griesar—a married couple in their 50s who live in Astoria, Ore., and Portland, Ore.—were each relieved to get their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for COVID-19. After the jab, Griesar felt nothing more than a sore arm. But for Duehmig, the effects were more pronounced.

“I woke up during that first night ... with the chills and some body aches and just not feeling well by the morning,” Duehmig says. “I really didn’t want to do anything but sleep that day, which is about all I did.” The unpleasant reaction was reassuring. “I do like to think that it means it’s working, that it’s kicking my system into gear,” Duehmig says. So was Griesar’s vaccine any less effective at protecting him from severe COVID-19?

Absolutely not, according to experts and data from clinical trials of the Pfizer vaccine. The latter indicated that the vaccine was generally 90 to 100% effective against COVID-19 in people regardless of their sex, age, race, ethnicity or preexisting conditions. Yet only about half of trial subjects experienced the sort of systemic reactions that Duehmig did...

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-you-dont-have-covid-vaccine-side-effects-are-you-still-protected/

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Few, No Vaccine Side Effects, Am I Still Protected? Don't Feel Bad, If You Don't Feel Bad: Experts (Original Post) appalachiablue Jul 2021 OP
I'm glad I had few if any bad effects, elleng Jul 2021 #1
K&R! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #2
For sure, Sheltie. A couple posters mentioned appalachiablue Jul 2021 #3
That was very nice of you SheltieLover Jul 2021 #4
Good deal! appalachiablue Jul 2021 #6
That's my take on it! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #7
After what I'd read I stocked up, prepared appalachiablue Jul 2021 #11
I stocked up on quick food for like a week SheltieLover Jul 2021 #15
I didn't even get a sore arm. I slept a lot the next day, but I tend to sleep a lot anyway. tblue37 Jul 2021 #5
We're all different according to this info. appalachiablue Jul 2021 #8
Neither my nor I, nor her Mother, had any side effects. We had Pfizer, MIL had Moderna . . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #9
I had a sore arm after the second shot. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #10
I got the J&J one and done. Zero symptoms. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #12
I had the same reaction... SouthernLiberal Jul 2021 #13
Smart decision, I also wear a mask appalachiablue Jul 2021 #14

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
3. For sure, Sheltie. A couple posters mentioned
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 09:54 PM
Jul 2021

this and I finally looked into it. If there were issues, we would have heard something I hope.

When I received flu shots in younger years I often experienced weakness and light headedness. So I asked health staff to give me a split dose which they can do for kids- one had recommended it- and it worked.

But with the Covid vaccine I had nothing, only soreness at the injection site for a couple days. Glad!

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
11. After what I'd read I stocked up, prepared
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:26 PM
Jul 2021

to be slain for days, esp. with my history.. ha!

But it seems 'the passage of time' (aka aging) can alter things, and fortunately as the 1st article states.

So maybe there is some slight advantage to getting older. Although I'd love to be 30 again for a do-over in a couple areas!

La Vie, and youth is wasted on the young as my dad and Oscar Wilde and/or GB Shaw said.



SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
15. I stocked up on quick food for like a week
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 12:51 AM
Jul 2021

Expecting who knows what, but nothing but mild soreness at injection site.

Oh I agree youth is wasted on the young.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
8. We're all different according to this info.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:06 PM
Jul 2021

After what I'd read, I was prepared to lay low for a few days but was pleasantly surprised. A few posters had mentioned this so I finally checked it out online.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
9. Neither my nor I, nor her Mother, had any side effects. We had Pfizer, MIL had Moderna . . .
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jul 2021

There are times we quietly wonder if we had a saline solution instead but the unease about the disease quickly fades.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
12. I got the J&J one and done. Zero symptoms.
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 10:45 PM
Jul 2021

I am sure I'm fully protected, if for no other reason than I'm the healthiest person I know, never get sick, I don't do flu shots (not that you should forego them) haven't had influenza since about 1975 or so. Basically, I have an extremely robust immune system. Which is not necessarily true for anyone else. But I will go out on a limb and say that if you've been fully vaccinated, you're good.

Yeah, we may need boosters down the road, but not now. More importantly, we need to see that the rest of the world gets vaccinated.

SouthernLiberal

(407 posts)
13. I had the same reaction...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:49 PM
Jul 2021

That I have for every vaccination. The arm where I get the shot is tender for a few days. I got the Moderns series, and I have to admit that the tenderness lasted longer than usual and I did have a moment of actual pain. Just a moment, but it surprised me.

I haven't had any test to prove that I have immunity. I do take medicines that suppress my immune system. But I have no problem wearing a mask. Even if I were sure I was safe, I would still wear one wherever they are required, or even recommended.

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
14. Smart decision, I also wear a mask
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 11:59 PM
Jul 2021

when out, esp. with Delta exploding and info. about vaccine effectiveness possibly waning, mainly from Israel and UK reports.

Is there a test indicating immunity via the vaccine, specifically for Covid?

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