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Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:07 PM Aug 2019

baseboard blues

So......in the little apartment I rent that is crafted in an extremely beautiful hundred year old house, I have noticed that the baseboards in the bathroom have been warping. They just look at first glance like regular wood baseboards as one would expect. But now one of them is peeling slightly, and I see that they aren't really wood, but some kind of composite that looks like sawdust and paper molded. BIZARRE and who would ever use that?? Now I also realize that a window sill in another room warped in the same way. Not really wood??

I need to know what this stuff is so I can demonstrate that this deterioration is not MY fault. A mandated inspection is coming up, after eight years here.

My landlady is 86 years old and almost daily harasses me about lint in the dryer trap, so I need to be prepared for her to think that I damaged what is actually faulty, shoddy craftsmanship. (Her son did the remodeling.)

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Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
2. yeah, kinda
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:11 PM
Aug 2019

Like painted paper or something. I pulled a loose piece and it came right off looking like compressed sawdust and cardboard underneath.

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Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
4. Thinking about it, I'm leaning toward MDF
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:17 PM
Aug 2019

Medium Density Fiberboard. It doesn’t really like much water.

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
5. I think fiberboard sounds like a good description.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:55 PM
Aug 2019

Considering some other anomalies in this apartment, it's clear that an amateur did the remodel and the materials were not adequate. Despite the high value of the house itself and the fact that the elderly owners are loaded.

Thanks for your input. In order to replace with wood, I assume one would need a mitre box for the corners, and what to affix to the wall? Glue? Nails? And real wood baseboard likely comes in lengths of what length? Eight feet or so?

Thanks.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
6. Yes, you'll need something to cut the corners.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:48 PM
Aug 2019

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They make very inexpensive miter boxes that use a type of hand saw. If you aren't used to cutting mitres (especially with the cheap ones) then be prepared to use some caulking in the corners after it's all been installed.

Don't use glue, just nails hammered into the studs in the wall. Determine where the studs are before you place the baseboard, and make a light pencil mark on the wall just above where the top of the baseboard will be. That way you can see where on the baseboard the nails should be placed. Depending on the height of the baseboard (anything less than 4" ) two nails per stud should be sufficient (actually you will place one nail in the stud, and the other in the bottom plate that the studs are nailed to). Anything over 4" should have three nails, one in the plate and two in the stud. Use finish nails (the ones with the small heads).

Studs are generally on 16" centers, but they aren't always (depends on how old the house is, or if they had to make an adjustment for some reason). If the walls are sheetrock you can determine where the studs are by tapping on the wall. You will hear a difference in the sound over the studs and over the empty space between 'em. Over the studs it will sound more solid, more hollow over the empty spaces. They can sound quite similar, but I think you'll get the ear for it. They also make stud finders, but try the by ear method first, 'cause it's free. Not sure how it works for plaster because it is a more solid medium.

The bottom plate is simply a 2x4 or 2x6, the important number here being the "2." The 2x lays flat along the floor behind the sheet rock/plaster, so your bottom nail will go somewhere less than about 11/2" above the floor, 2x's are actually about 11/2"'s unless the home was built before about 1900, then they were the full dimension. Because the 2x runs lengthwise for the bottom plate you can put the lower nails in anywhere, but general practice is to keep them lined up vertically with the nail in the stud above it.

Baseboard will come in varying lengths. Just measure the walls and determine what lengths you need to avoid a bunch of waste. Best practice is to use some wood glue on the butt ends when you install it, but you don't have to.

Do yourself a favor and be sure to use the pre-primed baseboard.

Hope this helps. Someone will probably be along in a minute to tell me how wrong I am. PM me if you have any more questions.

Good luck.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
13. My only beef with what you said is I would use glue/construction adhesive.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 10:48 AM
Aug 2019

Especially in a bathroom when I’m not familiar with where pipes behind toilets and sinks are located. The less chances of hitting a pipe, the better.

We do a lot of work in older buildings where the 16 inch on center rule hardly exists and stud finders are pretty much useless due to lath. Trying to hit studs ends up making Swiss cheese out of the work. Also, if you don’t have a nail gun you end up with hammer tracks everywhere.

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
8. actually....that might be part of it and I just realized it's probably against code?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:02 PM
Aug 2019

No window, and the fan is not vented outside. Nor is the kitchen fan. It just recirculates air.

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
9. Maybe depends on code in your neck of the woods ...
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:11 PM
Aug 2019

but if your landlord gives you any trouble over the warping you should have a strong case.

Do you see any mold?

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
10. well, I just checked state law, and this appears to be in clear violation.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:26 PM
Aug 2019

The kitchen range fan and the bathroom fan. Neither are vented to the outside, in violation of code.

Mold? Not in the bathroom. There is one small ceiling area in a closet adjacent that I might be concerned about. Skeered to look at it, but I'll put it on the list of concerns.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
14. At 86 yer landlady is most likely set in her ways and out of touch too.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:55 PM
Aug 2019

You may do better to confront the landladies son about the issues. you are right in that those materials do not belong in a bathroom or window sills.. Work done on the cheap. He know this and got a number of years out of the cheap stuff. It's all on them.

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