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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 02:17 PM Oct 2021

One more Snowflake story. Progress and then regression . . .

Last edited Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:34 PM - Edit history (3)

One step forward, one step back. When I got back Sunday (I had left enough food to last over the weekend) I visited with Snowflake and fed her again. When I called she literally came bounding to greet me and Jack. Ignored the food until we exchanged affection all around. As we left she actually frolicked! Dashed across the street and did the 'pounce and run' thing. I guess when you eat regularly you have the to expend energy on such things as play. I made the decision to try again moving her.

Monday morning Jack and I walked back to visit but didn't bring food. Instead I had set out a large bowl of food and one of water next to the shelter I made and left the gate to the yard open. The first time she was pretty docile and only needed a bit of encouragement to walk with me almost to the yard. This time she was having no part of walking toward my place. We did get it done but it was walk 6' (the length of the leash), take a knee and wait for her to come to me. We did that for the entire ¼ mile. Getting her past the guard dogs that live next door was an event in itself but we finally made it to my driveway. When she saw the open gate in the chain link fence it was all I could do to keep up! She clearly feels safe behind a fence she can see through.

Jack and I spent the entire day in the yard with her. I was taking down the decrepit 6' privacy fence on the west side of the yard—it was in the process of falling down anyway. Behind it is another chain link fence so Snowflake will have open views to the east and west. All day she and the guard dogs had at it through the fence. Such ferocity! However she learned quite quickly to cease and desist to the command “Snow, enough!'” There was much affection given and taken all day. She managed to pee in every corner and lots of places throughout the yard and scratched a bed into the ground under my 4x8' utility trailer. Man, I'm thinkin' this is it, she's accepted the place. Ate all the food and drank all the water—I guess peeing is thirsty work . . .

Then I went into the garage and left the gate open and unattended for less than a half minute—she was gone. I went to the street and she was only 50' away so I took a knee and called to her. She recognized the call and acknowledged me then turned and headed back to the vacant trailer. I tried to entice her back but she refused to come out from under the trailer.

That was yesterday. Today I took Jack for a walk and stopped at the trailer and called. She came trotting out and shared affection for about 10 minutes before I continued my walk. She stood and watched me go without running back to the shelter of under the house. On the way back I called and she acknowledged it but stayed at a distance. If I'm walking to the west, away from my house, she's friendly but if I'm walking to the east, toward my house, she's standing off.

My next approach is to stop and greet her, give her a treat but not feed her. She's gained a lot of weight over the last few weeks so she's satiated and can afford to ignore me. She has also had Capstar and a monthly flea topical as well as being wormed. I'll give it a few days w/o food and see if her attitude changes. I'll then take a small container of food and give her an ounce or two, teasing her back. No more meals at the old place, only at mine. She learns incredibly fast and has an abundance of raw intelligence. I'm not giving up but she's got to make a move in my direction before her belly gets full again. I'll give status reports as things change. As it is now we're in a stand off when it comes to moving her.

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One more Snowflake story. Progress and then regression . . . (Original Post) AndyS Oct 2021 OP
Good for you, having such a detailed plan for her. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2021 #1
She got real brave through the fence 😒 AndyS Oct 2021 #2
You're doing well wendyb-NC Oct 2021 #3
The information I got from Rocky Racoon a few posts back has been AndyS Oct 2021 #7
I think you are starting to understand Pyrs a little. Rocky Racoon Oct 2021 #10
You're turning into the dog whisperer ... It will happen ... She'll come around MichaelSoE Oct 2021 #4
Thanks For The Update Me. Oct 2021 #5
Best of luck! MLAA Oct 2021 #6
Great work SheltieLover Oct 2021 #8
Than you for this update. Sending vibes for success and healing. niyad Oct 2021 #9

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,588 posts)
1. Good for you, having such a detailed plan for her.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 02:22 PM
Oct 2021

I hope that you can see past all this to the inevitable success that's coming.

When the next-door dogs barked at her, she was really traumatized, and it will take time to get over that.

Good thing you're patient!

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
2. She got real brave through the fence 😒
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:21 PM
Oct 2021

To add insult to injury the guard dogs were nowhere to be seen as she left past their yard

wendyb-NC

(3,322 posts)
3. You're doing well
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:41 PM
Oct 2021

Progress may be slow but stay with it, you have a good plan. You will come up with more strategies, as you get to know her. I wonder if you placed a shelter, or blind of some sort, so that the dogs in the other yard couldn't see her and she would not be able to see them., if she went in or behind it. Out of sight, out of mind. I'm not saying it has to be big just a place where she can duck in and out, and provide shade and shelter from, the elements, such as, the heat of the sun, along with dogs out of sight from each other from time to time.

Just keep at it, sounds like you've won her over. Since she was left stray, she may need time to heal from the loss of her previous care givers and or human family.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
7. The information I got from Rocky Racoon a few posts back has been
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 04:41 PM
Oct 2021

so valuable. Rocky identified her as a Great Pyrenes and they have some very breed specific behaviors one of which is identifying a territory to protect and doing so relentlessly. My challenge is getting her to adopt me and Jack as her new flock to protect and my yard as her responsibility. Just as Jack is a Fox Terrier bred to kill small rodents and fixates on squirrels and mice to the point of total absorption GPs are livestock guard dogs bred to protect flocks of sheep. They are quiet so as not to spook the sheep, observant and loyal. Not much on playing or fetching. Not much for walking. Stubborn to the extreme and whatever you want you have to convince her it's HER idea.

It is a journey.

Rocky Racoon

(16 posts)
10. I think you are starting to understand Pyrs a little.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 12:33 PM
Oct 2021

Everything you have told us about Snow has fit nicely into the Pyr model. The frolicking is a sign of pure joy. When we got our rescue Pyr home she was a mess. Totally freaked out. A couple of days afterward I looked out and she was running big circles in the yard. Then she would stop, then do a quick pirouette and off at full speed. BTW, she looks like she is running very fast (she thinks she is), but she is very slow. When I take her out for a leash-free hike she exhibits the same playful freedom. She is a totally different creature than at home when she is always on the job guarding my wife and me (in that order).

After looking at the pictures I noticed a children's toy vehicle. That means there was a youngster there. Her herd moved and she is still at the home waiting for the herd (probably the child) to return. She might be a mix because a pure Pyr would have moved on to another herd by now. They guard beings, not territory so I am wondering if there is another critter around that she is keeping an eye on.

The marking and digging in shows me that she has accepted you and Jack as a herd possibility.

Quiet is not the word for them. Sneaky, stealthy, or clandestine may be more descriptive to explain their manner. Ours can move without sound. When she hops on my wife's bed you can't hear her jump or land. She is close to 100 lbs.

When you were sitting with her and she just walked away, that has Pyr written all over her. To me she accepts you and she moved away to keep an eye on you. All good signs.

If you tell her to do something, please wait for 5 to 15 seconds for a response. It is just their way. Negotiating can sometimes work.

If and when you get her on a leash, be prepared for a slow walk as they have to sniff and smell EVERYTHING. I live mid-block and sometimes it takes 15 minutes or more to get to the corner. They want to know what dangers might be close to her charges and smell is the main way to detect problems. Their hearing is very sensitive and loud sharp noises freak them out. Never yell at them. You did good with the dogs. She sensed danger from the dogs next door to Jack and you and was ready to take them on. If she senses imminent danger to Jack or you those dogs would be in trouble. She will tell them who is boss the next time they get together. It is the absolute last resort but they fight to the death for you. They don't lose. Just saying it's alright in a quiet but (if needed)assertive voice to the Pyr is normally enough to break the incident up. You did good.

Thanks for taking a shot at this. Contrary to what the website I sent you said, they are not that bad, at least with the ones I have had been exposed to (both damaged Pyr types). They have been an absolute pleasure to know. Even with the hair and barking (not as bad as they said) I wouldn't trade her for anything.

Sorry if this seems like too much preaching and unsolicited advice, But I love dogs (especially Pyrs) and I would love to see a good outcome. If there is anything I can do, please contact me. Thanks, Rocky.

P.S. Here is a little video of a male Pyr doing agility. Non-Pyr people are probably thinking "Man that dog sucks " while Pyr people are saying " How the hell did they get a Pyr to do that".

Have fun.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
5. Thanks For The Update
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:50 PM
Oct 2021

It's easy to say keep on but I do, clearly she needs you. I wonder who hurt her so badly it's so terribly diffricult to let go and trust completely.

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