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PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 07:05 PM Jan 2012

Our 12 year old German Shepard is going to be 'put to sleep' next week and I feel so guilty!!!

We arrived home from a Vet appointment just a little over 2 hours ago. Our dog Jimmy has no kidney function at all according to blood tests.

I am racked w/guilt over this news.

I first noticed a change in him in early fall. He just didn't seem himself-- not as interested in outdoor activities, a bit lethargic, and most noticeably (in a medical sense) unable to jump into the back of the pickup without assistance. His gait was also much slower and the stairs too seemed to be harder for him. But his appetite was the same, and remained that way until about a month ago.

At the time, I wrote his despondency and lethargy off to depression after having lost his 'sister'... Our 19 year old cat had to be put to sleep in August, and I know he missed her. As far as his mobility issue(s) I just assumed that arthritic and/or hip problems were to blame.

About a week or two before Christmas was when I began to see other things going on... now THIS is where the guilt really comes in for me-- his eating habits were changing. The appetite thing should have been a huge red flag, because Jimmy has always been a voracious eater. Yes, he still loved 'naughty' things such as any human food that I would secretly slip to him.

However, it had become obvious by then that his Eukanuba dog food was staying full in his bowl for much longer periods of time. And on top of that, he seemed to be drinking a lot more water and urinating frequently. I knew, due to these things that something was wrong, but thought it'd be ok to wait for his annual apointment (Jan 13rth) to have all of this checked out.

What finally drove me to ask for an earlier appointment was Jimmy's very recent Pica activities. He began doing weird things like licking an antique decorative cast iron stove and even bricks we used for a doorstop. In Jimmy's case, I knew it was not a behavioral problem. See this link about Canine Pica if curious... http://www.petplace.com/dogs/pica-in-dogs/page1.aspx

I wonder if I had taken him to see the Vet at THAT time, when I first really became concerned, (mid- December), perhaps his condition could have been treatable? Even the Vet said today that Jimmy may have had another year or two had the situation been caught earlier. BTW- our Vet is a kind, honest man- I know he didn't say that to pin blame anywhere- he was just pointing out a fact.

Sorry to have rambled on so long, but my guess is that anyone who ventures into this group loves their pet(s) as much as my partner and I. We are both heartsick. As I write now, arrangements have been made for next Saturday. Our Vet has given us a week's supply of Tramadol for Jimmy's pain and instructions about diet. How strange it is to be cautioned NOT to provide protein!!!...

Note to Jimmy via self: Ok Jimmy, you are going to get the best of the best of non-nutrutional value foods in order to at least make your belly feel full- and happy.... OMG




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Our 12 year old German Shepard is going to be 'put to sleep' next week and I feel so guilty!!! (Original Post) PotatoChip Jan 2012 OP
I lost my 12 year old cat to kidney disease about a year and a half ago rox63 Jan 2012 #1
Thank you so much for explaining PotatoChip Jan 2012 #15
Hugs to you rox63 Jan 2012 #19
............ Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #2
Aww thanks! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #16
My cat had cancer. He kept sleeping in dark places and didn't want to be touched. I kept applegrove Jan 2012 #3
Thanks applegrove! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #17
I am sorry Irishonly Jan 2012 #4
Thanks. And what a kind thing to say-- PotatoChip Jan 2012 #18
I'm so sorry PotatoChip livetohike Jan 2012 #5
Hey, thanks for the link! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #20
Its hard. I feel for you. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #6
Another lover of German Shepards! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #21
My heart goes out to Jimmy and to you. Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #7
Thank you so much STC for your very kind words! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #22
We all put off treatment at some point waiting Curmudgeoness Jan 2012 #8
Thanks Curmudgeoness! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #23
I'm so sorry. Texasgal Jan 2012 #9
Thank you so much Texasgal! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #24
My heart goes out to you.. virgdem Jan 2012 #10
Thanks virgdem for your input and great advice. PotatoChip Jan 2012 #25
12 years is a good long life for a larger dog-- ginnyinWI Jan 2012 #11
You are probably right about that. PotatoChip Jan 2012 #26
Oh no! I'm so very sorry! TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #12
What a great post! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #27
Oh boy, do I ever know guilt! TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #31
I'm down to two dogs now and they're both 16+ hobbit709 Jan 2012 #13
Oh wow-- 3 dogs in just 2 years? PotatoChip Jan 2012 #28
The toughest part of the contract.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #14
Ahhh... another GSD lover! PotatoChip Jan 2012 #29
Dogs live in the now. wildeyed Jan 2012 #30

rox63

(9,464 posts)
1. I lost my 12 year old cat to kidney disease about a year and a half ago
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jan 2012

She was treatable for a while. But eventually, the treatment (sub-q fluids, prescription food) stopped working. The vet said most don't survive long after dx. Don't beat yourself up. You had no way of knowing what was wrong.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
15. Thank you so much for explaining
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

what treatment for kidney disease would have entailed for Jimmy. Based on your experiance, it sounds as if it wouldn't have been an easy thing for him to have gone through, and may not have even worked for very long.

Knowing this makes me feel a little better even though it's sad to hear what your cat went through. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I'm so sorry for your loss. It's very hard, isn't it.

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
3. My cat had cancer. He kept sleeping in dark places and didn't want to be touched. I kept
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 07:39 PM
Jan 2012

putting off putting him to sleep. One day, when he was in a lot of pain, I said that is it. Keeping him alive is only helping me not Monster. Took him to the vet. He was really peaceful and relaxed. I was balling my eyes out. Except for the iv it was painless for the big guy. I'm glad I took him in when I did.... and that I didn't let him suffer.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
17. Thanks applegrove!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jan 2012

I'm so sorry to hear about your cat 'Monster' (cute name btw) But it is good to know that his last moments were peaceful and relaxed. I hope it will be that way for Jimmy.

Also, you make a very good point when you said, "Keeping him alive is only helping me, not Monster." As painful as it must have been for you, what you did for him was truly an unselfish act of love. He was lucky to have you as his owner.

Irishonly

(3,344 posts)
4. I am sorry
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:10 PM
Jan 2012

You cannot second guess yourself. Charlie, my 19 year old cat, had to be put down becaue of kidney failure. I lost my Sam just last year and for pet lovers it never gets easier. Jimmy knows he is loved.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
18. Thanks. And what a kind thing to say--
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:07 PM
Jan 2012

"Jimmy knows he is loved" That simple sentence helps me a great deal!

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
5. I'm so sorry PotatoChip
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jan 2012
to all of you....please don't beat yourself up, although I fully understand how you feel. We lost our dog Ranger to kidney failure in 2003 on Valentine's Day. He was almost 16 years old. But in his case, he just stopped eating, there was no diminishing of his appetite, or any other sign. In fact, he hiked a 6 mile day hike with us a couple of days before he stopped eating. I gave him the subQs for three weeks with not much improvement. I truly believed I could help him and was heart broken that what I was doing wasn't helping. I wish we had a vet then that would have told us the truth, that Ranger would likely not get better.

There is a yahoo group http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KIDNEYS/

They were very informative and supportive when I found out what was wrong with Ranger.

Enjoy the time you have with Jimmy and give him a from me, too.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
20. Hey, thanks for the link!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jan 2012

I'm so sorry to hear about your dog, Ranger. 16 years old... Wow! It sounds like he must have had a very happy life with you!

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
6. Its hard. I feel for you.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:15 PM
Jan 2012

I've owned and had to put down a few very sweet and lovable German shepherds too. (hips, cancer, and hips). But I also owned a elderly cat that had chronic kidney disease, which we treated for a while, and it bought a few months: but they weren't quality months. Don't feel bad. You've given the best 12 years of life to Jimmy, and now you are going to do the hardest and most unselfish thing: give the gift of mercy and peace. You'll never really be apart, and one day you'll see Jimmy again and that will be a happy day! Best wishes.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
21. Another lover of German Shepards!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jan 2012

I could do without all of the shedding, but they are otherwise a great breed aren't they!?!

As sorry as I am to hear about your cat, it really helps me to know that even if Jimmy could have been saved, his quality of life might not have been all that good. Thank you for sharing that. It truly relieves some of my guilt. Sorry you had to go through that though.

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
7. My heart goes out to Jimmy and to you.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jan 2012

I promise you he knows you love him. GSDs are big and scary, but so very connected to us humans. He knows.

Don't beat yourself up. Hindsight is always clear, but crystal balls are hard to come by.

Our animals are so much better able to deal with the end that we are. He knows. And he loves you as he always has. Unconditionally.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
22. Thank you so much STC for your very kind words!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jan 2012

Cute user name btw! It makes me smile every time I see it.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
8. We all put off treatment at some point waiting
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jan 2012

to see if it will pass....hell, I do that for myself too. I lost a cat to kidney failure, and we caught it early---but it progressed fast and nothing helped for long. My vet (and my own medical doctor) confirmed that kidney failure is not associated with pain, so don't worry about that. In fact, as toxins build up, there is an intoxicated feeling instead....so this is not one of those things that the animal will suffer from.

Your vet may be right about that additional year if it was caught earlier---but how much earlier is the key. Until there are symptoms, you have no way to know and would never have bloodwork done to determine problems until there were symptoms. And that would be a very hard time for both of you anyways. You are doing the right thing now, and you did all that you can be expected to do. Don't beat yourself up.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
23. Thanks Curmudgeoness!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jan 2012

Another cool user name... love it!

Thanks for the info on the toxins. I did not know that!

I'm seeing a pattern here-- everyone who did find out about their pet's kidney issues early enough seem to be saying the same thing... That even with treatment, it's a difficult illness to battle. This really makes me feel much better, but I am SO sorry for all of you who have had to deal with it.

Sorry that your cat didn't make it.

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
9. I'm so sorry.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jan 2012

I am thinking of you. Jimmy is loved and I am sure he knows that.

Keep strong... I am thinking of you.

virgdem

(2,125 posts)
10. My heart goes out to you..
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:02 PM
Jan 2012

Please don't be so hard on yourself - you are doing a compassionate and unselfish thing by letting your dog go. I've had to put 4 cats to sleep, 2 from kidney failure and one from complications from Intestinal Bowel Disease. It's very hard to let them go and to know when the right time for that will be. Know that you are relieving Jimmy from pain and suffering. Spend that last week letting him know how much he is loved and treasure those moments.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
25. Thanks virgdem for your input and great advice.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jan 2012

I will indeed make the most of this last week that I have with Jimmy!

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
11. 12 years is a good long life for a larger dog--
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jan 2012

if you want to look at it that way. I wonder if the vet meant if you had caught it a year or so ago, not just weeks? Because it doesn't seem to me that much would have changed in just a month or two.

Don't feel bad. We all do what we know to do at the time. What is ailing him is not your fault, and something would have taken him sooner or later at his advanced age. Just love him.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
26. You are probably right about that.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jan 2012

Jimmy may well have been sick for a much longer time then I was aware of. Thanks for pointing that out.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
12. Oh no! I'm so very sorry!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:30 AM
Jan 2012

Make the most of your last hours with Jimmy. Spend as much time with him as you can and that he can tolerate.

About the guilt... Ugh, do I ever struggle with that about everything. I know there isn't anything that anyone can say that's going to make a bit of difference in how you feel, but I'll say it anyway... try to loosen the guilt strings. You did your best, and there's no logical reason to feel guilty for the decisions that you make in hindsight as no one can look into the future and use that information in making decisions. As they say, hindsight is 20/20. You aren't a medical professional, and didn't see any cause for concern enough to get to the vet ASAP than any other average layperson likely would have. There's nothing logically to feel guilty about because of that, but of couse, we all know that logic and guilt can be very much like oil and water... the two just don't tend to go together.

Also ask yourself is it better that he goes now rather than hang around for another year or whatever if that time may very well have been spent feeling miserable? Logically, isn't it better for him that he has the least amount of time in any kind of suffering that extending his life had you brought him in earlier may very well have occurred? There's many ways to look at this. Perhaps in the end it's better for him this way.

And as I said, not a bit of this is likely to help with your guilt at all, but it's something to think about, and perhaps it may shorten or lessen it.

You're doing the right thing for Jimmy under the circumstances, and we just can't ever really plan out how circumstances will be.




PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
27. What a great post!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jan 2012

Thank you so much.

You make some very good points that I had not previously considered. Yesterday and last night was very difficult for me, but today, I've kind of moved on into acceptance. Your well thought out post certainly helped with that! DUers are wondeful when it comes to things like this. Thanks again.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
31. Oh boy, do I ever know guilt!
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 02:20 AM
Jan 2012

It's a REALLY difficult emotion to deal with. I still feel guilt over letting my first Akita go on too long. For some reason I wasn't able to look at his health problems as a whole and was compartmentalizing each one. Each one by itself wasn't bad enough to justify putting him to sleep earlier, but all taken together was, but I just wasn't able to see that at the time.

With the next dog I was determined I wouldn't do that again and as hard as it would be I'd be honest with myself about his condition once he got the cancer... but damn, was it hard. Because you love them so, it's just too easy to err on the side of letting them go on. I had to force myself to look at him with the eyes and feelings of a stranger rather than his mommy who utterly adored him. I prayed that there would be something significant that would suddenly happen that would make the decision an easy one and was lucky enough that it did end up working out that way, so I never did have to have that final battle with myself in determining when was the right time and right circumstances.

Ridiculous as it is, I still feel a little guilty over whether or not I should have done it the day before even though there's no logical reason for that and when he abruptly started going down hill fast it was in the evening when the vet clinic was already closed for the day anyway. Not logical at all, and occasionally I have to remind myself of that. Though I confess it does little good because... well, I do guilt like a world class champion. LOL!

I'm so glad that anything I or anyone else has said was able to help you. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. I've kept threads that have helped me to remind myself I did the very best I could under the circumstance and re-read them if I ever find myself falling back into guilt wallowing. Guilt can be funny like that - it sucks us in and sometimes pulls us back when we've kicked ourselves for illogical guilty feelings. I hope it helps to have this thread to refer back to in case you ever get sucked back into feeling guilty again. Certain similar threads here have helped me when I get into the guilt wallowing again.

I just love this forum for so many things but especially for times like these. I honestly don't know what I would do without it, not just for directly posting my own situations but in reading everyone else's and discovering how they can relate. And of course, the virtual hugs and words of wisdom when we so need them is just priceless.


hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
13. I'm down to two dogs now and they're both 16+
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:42 AM
Jan 2012

Rusty has a bad leg from getting hit by a car about 10 years ago and he's developed lip cancer. The vet says that at his age the surgery wold probably kill him. So as long as it doesn't bother him and he's not in pain i'll let him be.
His brother Jake is now deaf and has cataracts but he can still see enough to respond to visual cues.
I lost 3 dogs in the last two years. At one time we had 8.
It's never easy. Betsy, the vet tech at my vet's, knows when she sees me carrying one of mine in and crying, that' it's that time again.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
28. Oh wow-- 3 dogs in just 2 years?
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jan 2012

That must have been very hard!

Sorry to hear about Rusty. I hope he continues to be pain-free for a long time to come!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
14. The toughest part of the contract..
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jan 2012

.. we make with our dogs and cats, is that we go into it knowing that in all likelihood, we will outlive them. We know it, yet it never gets easier. When one of them goes from relative good health to where Jimmy is at now, in a fairly short time period, it's only natural for us to question what we could have done to make things different. A version of survivors guilt has hit home to me each time we've lost one of our treasured furred family members. I think it might just be part of the process of dealing with it.

We have two German Shepards. An 11 year old, that came to us as a rescue at age 8, named Nakita and a 7 month beauty named Sadie Mae. Nakita is such a wonderful dog, I wouldn't know where to begin singing her praises and Sadie is learning from her mentor well. While we have had many breeds thru the years, for me, the bonds I have formed with our GSDs are on another level. So spoil Jimmy with all of the "wrong foods" in this time and look into his big brown eyes and remember all of the great times you've shared. He'll live on within you in every story you proudly recall and tell.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
29. Ahhh... another GSD lover!
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jan 2012

Aren't they amazing!?!

Thank you for your kind words; and of course, for rescuing Nakita and Sadie Mae. They are very lucky to have you!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
30. Dogs live in the now.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 04:43 PM
Jan 2012

So although it is sad for you to lose your friend, he will not perceive it in the same way. And 12 years is a really good run. Enjoy the time you have. Take videos and pictures, they will help you later. And don't feel guilty. Dogs can't talk and even try to hide discomfort, so we as owners can't know how serious things are sometimes. I recently lost a dog to old age. His appetite had been decreasing for years, just due to the aging. I would not have been able to tell if it was something else.

I had a renal dog once. We knew from when she was very young that the problem would kill her. She lived a lot longer than expected, but I still felt guilty when she passed. I had not been watching her condition as closely as I should have. She was getting worse and should have been on subcutaneous fluids and meds much sooner. I felt guilty. And I was mad that she passed so young. But I did the best I could and she lived the life she was supposed to.

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