Bill seeks to close 'terror gap' in gun sales

[jpak]

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20130307/NJNEWS11/303070015/Bill-seeks-close-terror-gap-gun-sales

WASHINGTON — Known and suspected terrorists would be prohibited from buying guns under a bill re-introduced Wednesday by Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey.

Under current law, people who are known or suspected terrorists are barred from flying but can buy guns or explosives.

Even if a background check reveals a would-be gun purchaser is on the FBI’s terrorist watch list, federal officials are powerless to block the sale on that basis alone. Current law bars people from purchasing firearms if they have a criminal record — including a conviction for domestic abuse — or are fugitives or illegal immigrants.

Lautenberg called his proposal a “common-sense reform.”

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[Pararescue]

1. You mean like Ted Kennedy was on the watch list?

That watch list is full of inaccuracies and should be deemed unconstitutional.

[holdencaufield]

7. I would totally have let Ted Kennedy own a gun ...

... however, a car? Well, meh

[gejohnston]

2. not only illegal immigrants

any non resident alien, which includes snowbirds from Canada.
You mean this list?
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/frequently-asked-questions-about-no-fly-list
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/unlikely-suspects
http://www.thenation.com/blog/whys-retired-army-lieutenant-colonel-no-fly-list#
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

http://consumerist.com/2007/02/22/howto-get-your-name-off-the-no-fly-list/

If you are unjustly on the list, which can you use the TRIP program to let you buy a gun?
http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip
what Lautenberg calls common sense, I call undemocratic and removes a civil liberty without due process.
The best "common sense reform" would be abolishing this wretched Bush Cheney policy.

[friendly_iconoclast]

4. All Oldspeak. Gun control Newspeak requires the embracement of things like the OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=113098

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=113191

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=113278

[spin]

3. I would support this bill if improvements are made to the terrorist watch list. ...

Ford Motor Co., 2-Year-Old, Innocent Man Have Records In Terror Database
Posted: 10/04/2012 6:57 pm Updated: 10/04/2012 6:57 pm

WASHINGTON -- There aren't many people who would consider the Ford Motor Co. or a 2-year-old to be terrorist threats, but the United States' premier database for classifying such dangers includes both, according to Department of Homeland Security officials interviewed in a Senate committee investigation.

The report, released this week by the Senate Homeland Security Committee's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, focused on the dubious counterterrorism effectiveness of some 77 "fusion centers." The report found these centers do a terrible job funneling useful threat information from the local law enforcers to national intelligence agents.

The report concluded that much of the information generated was useless and some was potentially unconstitutional. But it also found that the premier database that the fusion centers -- and indeed all of the nation's counterterrorism systems -- depend on is so deeply flawed that Homeland Security officials mock it.

The system is called TIDE, which stands for Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, and includes more than 500,000 names. According to the National Counterterrorism Center, which maintains TIDE, it's supposed to contain "all information the U.S. government possesses related to the identities of individuals known or appropriately suspected to be or have been involved in activities constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, with the exception of purely domestic terrorism information."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/terrorist-watch-list-database_n_1936515.html

[appal_jack]

5. Why does Frank Lautenberg hate the US Constitution?

Why does Frank Lautenberg hate the US Constitution? More importantly, why does he continue to cash a check for his 'work' as a Senator while actively undermining (in this case) both the second and fifth amendments of the US Constitution?

-app

[krispos42]

6. "Suspected terrorists"

In other words, no due process to prohibit somebody from buying a gun.

Just put your name on a list... Bush would be proud.

[ileus]

8. So what gets one on a terror list?

Having a CHP?

Membership at a gun clubs

Religion?

Race?

[GreenStormCloud]

9. You are willing to shred the Constitution.

You can't deny a right without due process.

[Eleanors38]

10. The Feinstein-Lautenberg 5A Jonny Wipe Act for 2013.

[Eleanors38]

11. Well, jpak, do you support this? Yup?

[CokeMachine]

12. What's your opinion on this?

You must have an opinion -- probably not? You forgot the YUP! YUP!

You disappoint me - not -- yup.