“High capacity” mag ban could be an almost total mag ban

[TupperHappy]

Colorado’s now nationally famous “high capacity” magazine ban could end up being much more widespread than anticipated according to lawmakers. During a late night debate in the Colorado Senate on Friday, Senator Kevin Lundberg (D-Berthoud) put forth the thesis that because the proposed ban includes magazines with more than 15 rounds, AND those which are “readily convertible” even those manufactured for smaller numbers are most likely to fall under the ban. Most magazines are designed to be pulled apart and cleaned and are therefore readily converted to a capacity above the proposed law. Our friend, Jon Caldara, of the Independence Institue, demonstrated the easy conversion in this video.

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http://revealingpolitics.com/blog/video/high-capacity-mag-ban-could-be-a-total-mag-ban/

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Idiots.

[57_TomCat]

2. The law might well have a plethora of unintended consequences.

What was not mentioned in the video was many magazines designed for one caliber are compatible with other cartridges. A 15 round .40 magazine might well hold and reliably function with 17 rounds of 9mm. A specialty .50 caliber cartridge (.50 Beowulf) that works in the AR will fit 10 rounds in a magazine that also works perfectly with 30 rounds of 5.56.

The proposed law is flawed. Then again that never stopped anyone from pushing an agenda.

[av8r1998]

8. well...sorta

.40 cal and .357 SIG Glock mags will "work" in a 9mm and hold more rounds. This is because 9mm, .40 and .357 Glock s have an identical frame. 9mm has a different slide, barrel and ejector. The only difference between .40 and .357 SIG is the barrel.

Don't know one way or the other about 5.56 and .50. It doesn't sound plausible. 5.56 mom is the same bullet as .223 with a bigger charge. If its a double stack magazine it may work, but doesn't sound quite right.

[sir pball]

13. .50 Beowulf is pretty small

It's a straight-sided case, basically a 5.56 blown out to hold a .50 cal bullet (it's actually slightly larger with a rebated rim, but that's getting into "technical minutae&quot , designed to function in an AR-15 upper. The magazines are single-stack, but since they're designed to fit in a -15 mag well they'd hold 5.56 fine with an appropriate follower. There might be issues with the feed lips, but since I don't own either a 5.56 or .50BW I couldn't say.

[av8r1998]

14. now youre getting beyond my area

I am not sure merely changing the follower works.
The top of the mag needs to hold the different size round in place so the action can chamber the next round.
For example, by changing the ejector, slide and barrel, you can convert any Glock 9mm, .40, .357 SIG or .45 gap to any other caliber.
The mags are identical in dimension, but except .357 to .40 and vice versa, you need to change mags too...BC they're wider at the chamber end of the mag. Since .357 SIG and .40 have the identical case head, there is no need to change the slide, ejector, or mag.
But they also have the same capacity.

[sir pball]

15. I know - the feedlips would be the issue

IF the 50BW is close enough dimensionally it might work, but there's a good chance it won't looking at the two cartridges side by side. Any round designed for the -15 will by necessity fit in a standard mag with the appropriate follower, but feeding is a whole different animal. A straight 223 derivative like the 300 Whisper would function fine; I know that .338 Federal rounds will feed fine through a .308 Winchester magazine, but that's just a necked-up 308 so everything from the neck back is identical.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Altering the feed lips would probably fall afoul of 'manufacturing' a new mag.

All that is required is an opinion by the BATFE. One would not want to be the test case.

[sir pball]

19. Oh god no, I wouldn't do it

Just some academic discussion, I don't even own a -15.

[Clames]

3. Technical ignorance of the law makers strikes again?

Should make law students take a few courses in math, engineering, and medicine.

[SQUEE]

5. or..

Just ask some of the delicate flowers, who know their stuff on firearms, and actually listen when we talk and offer ideas. I have seen many of my fellow glib sociopaths offer up ideas and actions that could work.. Too bad we are all just NRA parrots and potential spree killers.

[Homerj1]

9. I really don't want politicians

who are afraid of firearms and are on top of that ignorant of firearms to be making laws that will deny me my rights.

[guardian]

4. The ignorant zealotry of antigunners

marches on.

[backscatter712]

6. One factual error: Kevin Lundberg is a Republican. Heavily teabagger right-wing.

He is not a Democrat.

I've seen him in person - he's further to the right than Attila the Hun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Lundberg

Actually, now that I've looked more in detail at that site you've linked, I might suggest you find better sources. This blog is very right-wing. Why are you linking to it at Democratic Underground?

[Robb]

7. Too bad. It passed the Senate.

[Kurska]

17. This would make the entire law unconsitutional and cause it to be overturned

You can't ban magazines in generaly anymore than you can ban handguns in general.

[MH1]

21. Can't someone just make an unconvertible magazine

that falls within the restrictions?

Sounds like an opportunity for entrepreneurship.

[mwrguy]

10. Boo freaking hoo

Design safer magazines or go without.

[hack89]

11. Fortunately the law is not retroactive

and impossible to enforce. So actually no one has to go without.

[hack89]

12. Fortunately the law is not retroactive and is impossible to enforce

so I suspect the impact will be minimal.

[guardian]

16. The only impact will be to persecute

responsible gun owners. No lives will be saved. No crimes will be stopped.

[jmg257]

20. So magazines like, say, those for an M1 Carbine were "designed to be readily converted"

to hold more then 15 rounds?? Huh - I never knew that.

I do know some Glock mags are "designed to be readily converted" to hold more then 15 rounds, Glock even provides the extended floorplate to do so, so very likely they would fall under the ban.

So, what's the problem, again?


A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP,
OR SIMILAR DEVICE CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF
AMMUNITION;