Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumILLINOIS: 188,000 FOID application recieved so far this year.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/19113939-418/gun-owner-id-card-wait-more-than-2-months.htmlSNIP
Last year, the state received 338,614 applications, the highest yearly total, according to state police data going back to 2006. The total for the first three months of 2013 is nearing 188,000, or more than half the applications received for all of 2012.
The Champaign-based News-Gazette recently reported it had obtained data from the Illinois State Police through a Freedom of Information Act request that showed about 1.5 million state residents, or 11.5 percent of Illinoisans, now have FOID cards. It said that at the end of January the backlog on processing FOID cards was more than 70,000.
SNIP
The Illinois FOID (Firearm Owners Identification) card is required for a person's first gun purchase. They can continue to buy guns with the same FOID. So that is almost 188,000 people buying their first gun.
The figure of 11.5% does not give an accurate reflection of the percentage of gun owners. The population of Illinois is 12,875,255 according the U.S. Census Bureau, as of July 2012. But that number include children and adolescents, who are too young to buy a gun. Usually about 1/3 of the population is under 21. About 18% of the adult population has FOID cards, but with the recent surge in gun buying that percentage is certain to rise.
Keep in mind that in Chicago, owning a gun is still basically illegal. Chicago accounts for about 2.7 million people. Adjust for those whom the city forbids to have guns, yields 22% of eligible adults that have FOIDs.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Gun sales are up (too)!
Riftaxe
(2,693 posts)and should always be part of a reasoned decisions....people who burn capital letters on lawns have plenty of emotion but little reason.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Mmm..that's nice.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)guardian
(2,282 posts)about needing permission (i.e., ID card) to own a gun. It is nobody's business what I own--including the gov't.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Are all 338,614 applicants members of the NRA?
Are they all repeating NRA talking points?
Don't they care about the children?
Or could those opposed to the private ownership of firearms be wrong?
DonP
(6,185 posts)At least the control "fans" keep telling us that all those guns are being bought by current owners, to build up our "arsenals"?
So how could there be that many new people, in just one state, wanting to buy a new gun or ammunition and willing to put up with the BS of getting a card?
A couple of weeks ago, while I waited in line to check out at a local gun store, I watched 16 people, including three couples, apply for FOID cards (fill out the form, get a picture). The store requires an FOID card to get in. The manager said they are now doing from 80 to 100 FOID apps a day on the weekends. That's 1 store.
(Pssst - and they weren't all pasty white kids from the South either - another gun control myth)
The NRA is using a brainwave machine that MAKES people go out and buy guns! Plus they're paying the new FOID holders buy them and then sell them to the people that just horde them. This is why we need better funding for research, so we can prove this!
Or something.
Seriously though...A little critical thinking with objectivity thrown in, leads one to conclude whats happening in Illinois is not an isolated thing, and that in fact, higher levels of new gun ownership are most likely taking place...just about everywhere else.
Of course, that doesn't fit the "hoarders" narrative, but unlike that narrative, it does mesh well with reality.
DonP
(6,185 posts)There were something like 62,000 NRA certified instructors last time I looked. Most are teaching pistol, rifle and shotgun basics and personal protection.
One of our local gun stores runs Basic Pistol classes, in Cook County of all places. The owner said her Basic Pistol classes are backed up for 8 weeks now, with 2 classes every week with a maximum of 10 students per class.
That's a hell of a lot of new gun owners/voters being taught gun safety and basic marksmanship by people with a big "NRA Certified Instructor" patch on their jacket every week.
What's Bloomberg going to do to counter that kind of grass roots involvement? Send one of his armed bodyguards out to teach gun safety?
I wonder what those folks say in Cook County if they get a polling call asking "how many guns do they have in their home"?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)experienced an uptick of NEW licenses/I.Ds. This would indicate an up trend in the number of gun-owners and the percentage of new gun owners. Perhaps there is additional data pointing to an increase in national gun ownership.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)I know because that's how I got into guns in the first place, the last time Illinois attempted an AWB. Thanks, banners, you introduced me to a great hobby!
ileus
(15,396 posts)Now get out there and let your reps know you're for a progressive 2A stance.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Our "Downstate Dems" are holding out for shall issue, with no carve out for Chicago to exert home rule exceptions either.
In typical fashion, they'll probably wait til the last second to pass something. And the Chicago city attorney is now claiming; "Well, an appellate court decision is really only 'advisory'. The only courts we need to pay attention to are the Illinois Courts". That will go over big as "contempt of court" if they stick by that.
But ... if they don't pass something that passes the court's muster, we go constitutional carry with an FOID card as our permit.
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