Hooray! They repealed Gun Control in Colorado!

[jpak]

Oh wait...

They didn't.

Yup

[Shrike47]

1. Give'em a chance.

[gejohnston]

2. that wasn't the point

The point was a grassroots movement started by a couple of blue collar guys beat out of state monied interests that outspent the proponents 7-1 as reported NPR.
These two were targeted because one ignored his constituents and bragged about it on TV, the other talked down to constituents in a condescending manner while making Michele Bachmann look like a MENSA member. That is why they lost in majority Democratic areas with a large turn out.
The silly and useless laws themselves had little to do with it. Had the bills been written by Coloradoans instead of NYC city employees lobbying for MAIG, it might have been received better.

[jpak]

3. Good - let the NRA gun nut douchebags spend their money of off-year elections

and win a few in low-turnout affairs.

When they try to win real elections, they will lose.

Turn on the kitchen lights and they will scatter.

Yup

[gejohnston]

4. it was high turn out, read my edit.

The NRA put a total of $360K. Bloomberg did that much out of his pocket. Eli Board put in another quarter of a million out of his pocket.
Like I said, grassroots organizing beat the money. Three union blue collar guys in Pueblo beat right wing authoritarian Bloomberg.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

13. so glad you qualified your statement by prefacing gun nuts with the NRA tag.

otherwise

[BainsBane]

6. Grassroots?

I didn't realize you'd been working on a stand-up routine in your spare time. Now that's funny.


Turning Astroturf into grass. That's quite a feat.

[gejohnston]

7. the NRA certainly wasn't running it,

and it was grassroots. If it was astro turf, what did they spend the money on? NPR reported pro recall forces was outspent 6-1. There were a number of things about these two that pissed people off. One was Morse not allowing debate from citizens?
Both of these people were kicked out by Democrats and independents. Republicans are a small minority in their districts. Unless you have evidence that it was astro turf, at least as astro turf as recall opponents (hint, almost all of their support came from a couple of out of state billionaires) you don't have a point. Polls predicted Giron was going to lose by 12 points in a Democratic majority area. By evidence, I don't mean some partisan hack blogger who can't find Colorado on the map, let alone took the time to go there and see first hand.

Not everything you agree with is "will of the people" or grassroots. Not everything you disagree with is corporate astro turf.

[BainsBane]

8. You're telling me the NRA and the Koch brothers didn't fund it?

Really? Pull the other one.

[gejohnston]

9. The Koch Brothers don't care about guns in Colorado.

Do some research. Just go to NPR. Check the local papers. Places that have real journalists who research. Proponents spent $540K including the $361K from the NRA. The opponates had $3M. Bloomberg wrote a check for $350K. LA billionaire Eli Board wrote a check for $250K. Those two billionaires provided more money than all of the recall supporter's funds combined. Looks like the kochs were AWOL.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24046748/outside-money-shows-national-interest-colorado-recall-elections

Snark isn't evidence. You don't agree with the three blue collar guys that started this, but they have a lesson to teach. We can learn from them and replicate their success when it comes to issues we agree on. What they used to beat Bloomberg and Board, we can use to beat the Kochs. Personally, I detest Bloomberg as much as we both detest the Kochs.

[BainsBane]

10. Based on what you yourself have said

It sounds about as grass roots as the Tea Party. Nothing about gun proliferation is grass roots. It is supported by a mutli-billion dollar industry and one of the most powerful lobbies in the nation. Just because two men share the same interests as a major corporate industry doesn't make them "grassroots." It means they are in bed with corporate profiteering over human life. Besides, the gun lobby and the Kochs are well known for clandestine funding. You ask why the Kochs would care about Colorado. Why would the Kochs care about Stand Your Ground? They funded its implementation throughout America. I don't know what motivates them. Perhaps it's genocide. Who knows what makes those evil bastards tick. What is for sure is that they always devote their funds to doing the most damage possible.

And no I don't agree with any of them. The whole world knows the US is insane on gun issues. It's a derangement with a disregard for human life that defies human decency. Gun proliferation in the US is pure evil. I will never agree with it, anymore than I agree with dropping Sarin gas on children or genocide. I realize some see the world differently. That doesn't mean I can't recognize the evil of their actions. Yeah, I know you resent when people take a moral stand. We're supposed to pretend that killing and not killing are both equally valid to make you feel better. Well I won't. That gun evangelists around the nation are celebrating recall of politicians who sought nothing more than to make mass murder more difficult shows their true colors. The idea that some are so repulsively lazy that the two seconds it takes them to reload is more important than the lives saved by banning large magazines shows that gun activists resent even the most modest reforms. That kind of far right-wing extremism cannot be reasoned with. We will continue to live in the most violent country as long as they continue to wield power. This is the America the gun lobby made, and every bullet ridden corpse is a notch in their belt.

Now I didn't even realize this thread was in the Gungeon. I got called in here for your failed alert on the OP. I hate this place, and it brings out the worst in me. So if you'll excuse me, I'm out.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. it doesn't take this place to bring out the worst in you -

You manage to succeed in doing that all by your self.

How many failed alerts have you made?

Sharing that kind of information because of your status with MIRt is somehow a conflict of interest, wouldn't you agree.

Don't answer. It was rhetorical in nature. Please Notice that I purposely did NOT use a QUESTION MARK.

[gejohnston]

16. I did not alert on the OP

I'm not going to waste my time with off the top of head rants. Like I told jpak, It was about arrogance and stupidity. Grassroots groups do get outside help. BTW, I don't think you read my post correctly. If the people of Colorado, why were Morse's and Giron's ads about everything but guns?

[Eleanors38]

20. The next to last sentence in this post: Finally, some agreement. nt

[Eleanors38]

19. You're telling me that Democrats & Bloomie didn't fund anti-recall efforts by 6-to-one?

I wouldn't suggest pulling any fingers on this.

[Eleanors38]

18. Grass roots campaigns are something foreign to gun-controllers...

So it probably is something foreign to you.

And it would seem that those who fought the re-call (which I opposed as well) had several times more money than the "other side."

But I won't interfere with the creation of new myths, creationist doctrines and even some pop-up history. Others can judge those just-add-water efforts for themselves.

[NYC_SKP]

5. They lost two Democrats and sent a strong signal to others, everywhere.

You could say they fired a shot, heard round the....

Nah, you couldn't say that.

But it was a logical outcome to the series of events came before the recall.

[rl6214]

11. They just got there, give em a chance

Then maybe the next time the DEMS will run pro RKBA candidates.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. One can Hope ----

that this will be the Change.

[rl6214]

17. Yes we can

[ileus]

12. If finally found the celebration thread that other forum was talking about.