Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWaiting for the Gun Rights side's proposals
It was our goal a year earlier to produce a set of recommendations from the entire GRRC, including the gun-rights advocates. We had hoped such a joint effort might produce many of the same recommendations as our Dec. 4 Viewpoints piece. It seemed early on that we would be able to move forward based upon our collective desire to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the dangerously mentally ill, and minors.
Unfortunately, we never progressed as a group beyond that point. The Gun Responsibilities side felt the system was broken and improvements were necessary. The Gun Rights side seemed content with the system as it existed, stating that the answer to the problem rested with law enforcement officials more aggressively enforcing existing laws. When it became apparent that the GRRC was stuck in gridlock, not unlike that being experienced in Springfield and Washington, the Gun Responsibilities side decided not to let the hard work of the last year go to waste and produced a short and simple set of proposed changes to the law that would protect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners and would reduce the ability of criminals, the dangerously mentally ill and minors to obtain guns.
http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/12-17-2013/Waiting-for-the-Gun-Rights-side%27s-proposals/?utm_source=RSS&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)So now instead of "control" it became "safety" now the PR buzz word is "responsibility". What will the buzz word be next week?
The Gun Responsibilities side proposed:
All of the proposals are either current federal law or has no evidence that it actually do anything in the US or anywhere else. None of this actually addresses the real issue, which is gang warfare and the drug money that fuels and arms them. Take away the money, you take away the guns.
Since this article is about IL, number one is canceled out by the IL FOID. IOW, these people don't seem to know anything about current IL gun laws or current federal gun laws.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I love it when the grabbers try and sound reasonable by changing a word here and there or proposing things that are already in place.
Fer cripes sake, they are still stupidly using that; "40% of all sales have no background checks" line from a study years before the NICS system was even in place. Hey, in 1959 every gun sales was made without a background check. It was up to the guy that owned the Western Tire and Auto store whether he thought you were old enough or sane enough.
OK, pretty much everything listed has been tried at the state level somewhere at some time. Can they show us any examples of how effective these ideas are?
They're just talking to themselves again. Next year ... "Mom's Demand Action" will be the wholly owned subsidiary and the new face of Bloomberg, after his dismal record for 2013. Then they will become the next Million Mom March - remember them?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Watts was a PR exec for Monsanto and GE before opening her own PR shop. I think the merger has more to do with not wanting a public IRS form 990, which would expose MDA for the astroturf that it is. This would be the first year MDA would have to file one.
ileus
(15,396 posts)And as humans we should fight for the right to protect ourselves and loved ones with the most efficient means possible.
petronius
(26,595 posts)of solving the world's problems, and are now faced with the disappointing realization that they can't actually do it... Sounds a lot like DU, actually.
I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn from this: these drawn-out conversations about generalized proposals must have been occurring on thousands of web sites and in thousands of communities over the past years and with pretty much the same result. I'm not surprised that the Oak Park GRCC didn't come up with the Grand Unifying Solution, nor am I surprised that one part of the Oak Park GRCC wants to blame that failure on the recalcitrance of another part...
DonP
(6,185 posts)They were the only suburb Daley convinced to go to SCOTUS with Chicago on the McDonald case. He promised them he/Chicago would cover the court costs, not to worry, it was a cinch to win, and they just needed to show solidarity with him for citizen safety.
They lost of course, but Daley and his promise are nowhere to be seen now and Oak Park is getting stuck with part of the $3.4 million in legal bills.
Doesn't look like they learned much from that.
14 other suburbs with the same restrictive bans, including Morton Grove with one of the nation's first total bans, all dropped out and changed their gun laws. Oak Park and Chicago were too "smart" to do that. So they're buying Gura & Possesky new cars while 14 schools get shut down per Rahm.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Until you guys start to proceed honestly, nobody is going to buy this.
By "proceed honestly", I mean examining what laws were broken in any given event, examining if any of these "new proposals" would do anything to effect these outcomes, and being open minded to actions that WOULD effect them.
Or you could continue to skip all that, go directly for the guns, and we can continue to dance as we have.
Nobody ever wants to discuss mitigation strategies for situations where someone DOES get a gun, and has bad intent.
That needs to change, because if it doesn't, nothing is going to change.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)So if your local gun store is having a really good sale this weekend only, you can't buy two or three. Just one. You can't have more than that at once. Because we said so.
And I'm not giving up my 15 round magazines.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Your last post of the day, apparently.
I'd love to hear the other side, but your post doesn't provide any kind of way for any of us to find out.
Ah, well.