Mormon Church owns one of most active gun sale sites on web, according to Mayor Bloomberg report

[jpak]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mormon-church-owns-active-gun-sale-sites-web-mayor-bloomberg-report-article-1.1018385?localLinksEnabled=false

The Mormon Church in Salt Lake City owns one of the most active and unregulated gun sale portals on the web, according to a new report.

An undercover investigation released in December by Mayor Bloomberg’s office named KSL.com the third most active gun listings site on the Internet.

The online hub came under scrutiny Monday when the news website Buzzfeed revealed Deseret Media Companies, the for-profit arm of the Mormon Church, operates it.

The mayor’s report said the site — where 1,327 handguns and 1,003 rifles were listed for sale Monday — allows buyers and sellers to complete a gun sale without identifying themselves.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mormon-church-owns-active-gun-sale-sites-web-mayor-bloomberg-report-article-1.1018385#ixzz1li1SBEay

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[liberal_biker]

1. So what?

Intra-state sales of private property are just that - an intrastate sale of private property. If someone wishes to sell a firearm he no longer wants, so what?

Now Bloomie is calling the classified ads section of a newspaper a "gun sale site"? Talk about a stretch...


After actually looking at the site, it appears Bloomie lied about something else too. A good chunk of the ads are from dealers which would still require a NICS check, and a good chunk of the ads are for BB guns, flare pistols, starter pistols and other devices which are not considered firearms anyway.

[jpak]

3. ummmm background checks

that's what

[liberal_biker]

4. What about them?

The federal government has no authority to control intrastate commerce, and in fact, it is illegal for a private citizen to access NICS.

If you took the time to learn the facts, you would realize this is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. The story is so full of half truths, insinuation and out right lies as to border on libel.

[jpak]

12. Low Information Fail - all guns sales are subject to federal background checks

yup

[bahrbearian]

15. There is nothing in the Constituion that says anything about background checks, Don't cha no.

The Constituion never says anything about Me having to pay taxes....

[jpak]

16. Low Information Fail Redux - the Constitution specifically sez the militia will be well regulated

yup

[liberal_biker]

18. Where does it say this?

Please, direct us to the specific wording wherein Congress is directed to regulate the militia...

In addition, do you know what the phrase "well regulated" means? It does not mean controlled by laws....

[jpak]

19. It's called the Second Amendment

sheesh

yup

[liberal_biker]

22. Nope, sorry but once again, you're wrong.

The 2nd Amendment does not grant government any authority.

Try again. Might I suggest you look somewhere in Article 1, Section 8?

[SteveW]

37. This need correction...

The Second Amendment does not authorize Congress to "regulate" a militia, it merely points out that a "well-regulated militia" is necessary for the security of a free state. The states have the power to organize and "regulate" the militia, not the federal government.

[Spoonman]

21. Give your head a shake.....

Time after time you have been proven wrong on this argument.
You have been provided the world's leading expert opinions on this and you somehow think you know more.

Let's face it, your inability to cope with reality has left you deaf and blind with regards to this subject, and to keep arguing it simply makes you look ignorant.

YUP - ignorant!

[Atypical Liberal]

35. No it does not.

the Constitution specifically sez the militia will be well regulated

No, it says that well-regulated militias are necessary to the security of a free state.

This has nothing to do with the fact that the right to keep and bear arms was enumerated to the people, and not to the militias, nor the states.

[liberal_biker]

17. False information fail

That is not true. Intrastate private sales are not subject to federal background checks. Period. You are wrong.

This isn't news. It is a well known fact. In fact, were this another thread, you'd be touting it as the "gun show loophole"...



Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

[jpak]

20. I am always right

yup

[oneshooter]

25. Except when you are wrong.

[rl6214]

27. AAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha

AAAAAAAAhahahahahahahaha

Class clown, village jester

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

36. Perhaps you'd care to...

...join some others here, a bit left of center?

[GreenStormCloud]

23. You are wrong. Private sales, inside the same state, are not.

[michreject]

29. Not true

Many, many states are cash and carry if the gun is bought in their home state.

I have over 50 guns but have only filled out a 4473 for less than a dozen. All legally owned.

[Atypical Liberal]

34. This is completely untrue.

all guns sales are subject to federal background checks

This is completely untrue.

The only firearm sales that are subject to federal background checks are those where the buyer and seller are in different states.

Private firearm sales within a state are not subject to regulation by the federal government. Most states do not require background checks for private firearm sales.

[SteveW]

38. Please point out the law which says "all gun(s) sales are subject to fed. BG checks."

[krispos42]

47. He knows all the facts. He just doesn't care.

They seem to conflict with his perception of reality or something.


For example, you and I know that one private Utah resident can sell a gun to another private Utah resident without a 3rd party (such as an FLL or law-enforcement agency) involved. He knows it, too, because it's been explained to him before.

However, that doesn't matter. Background checks aren't being done, so obviously he must claim it is illegal.

Ta-dah!

[ileus]

14. It's the dreaded "newspaper loophole"

at least they're finally admitting that the "gunshow loophole" is just a scare tactic.

[ileus]

2. Romney's Fault!

[SteveW]

39. So much for a Romney/Bloomie ticket. nt

[mvccd1000]

5. Can they also sell sofas on there?

It's just as illegal to sell your sofa to a private buyer as it is to sell your 9mm.


You're grasping a bit today, aren't you jpak?

[ileus]

6. so what is the name of this "unregulated gun portal" anti's are funny when they

try and make up ominous to feed to their believers.

[era veteran]

7. Needs link

http://www.KSL.com/index.php?nid=231&category=353

[ileus]

8. I'd llike to have that first P229

To be the mate to my new 229...but it's from a dealer, I'd have to do a FFL transfer. My first rule when buying guns over the internet is no FFL.

[pipoman]

49. You would have to involve an FFL

if it was from a private seller too...assuming you live in a different state than the seller..failure to do this for interstate transfers is a violation for both seller and buyer. I have bought several guns off gunbroker.com over the years. I have purchased from both FFLs and from private sellers. I have yet to find either who will transfer out of state without an FFL. I only buy collectible guns off these sites so the $25 FFL fee at my end usually doesn't bother me. OTOH, buying new or more common used guns usually isn't cost effective after adding shipping and ffl fees. Additionally, the FFL I use for mail order transfers is happy to do the transfers for $25 on collectible guns, on guns he could bring in for me (and likely match the price) he wouldn't be nearly as happy, and I would be embarrassed to ask him to do the transfer on a new gun.

[oneshooter]

51. $25! My FFL does transfers for $15 and is doing very well.

He runs it as a part of his auto parts shop.

[pipoman]

52. I have heard of some charging up to $100..

frankly, I believe the transfer fee should have a statutory maximum of $25 or 30, and every ffl should be required to perform the transfers upon request as a condition of licensure. After all, it is essentially charging for access to a publicly funded service.

[aikoaiko]

9. Fear!Fear!Fear! OMG. Mormons running a webpage for a tv station with classified ads...

...where some people list firearms and all Federal and State laws apply to those firearm transfers.

Holy schmolly I can't believe the ATF isn't raiding the state of Utah as we speak.



edited to add: Anti-RKBA groups and their small band of minions really don't have anything left to argue.

[burf]

11. Breaking news !!!!!!

It has been discovered that Operation Fast and Furious is a Mormon conspiracy to discredit the Obama Administration and ensure the election of Mitt Romney. Mayor Bloomberg and his crack staff at MAIG have discovered the details of this clandestine operation.

Film at 11:00.

Stay tuned for further details.

[PavePusher]

10. Has Mayor Ass-bag repudiated his armed security yet? No? Then fuck him. n/t

[Remmah2]

13. Moran VS Mormons

Who'd of thunk?

[slackmaster]

24. Yeah, I'm sure the unnamed site really exists and the "undercover agents" are from a real LE agency

BTW, "KSL.com" is the Web site of a Salt Lake City media outlet.

I call BS on the whole thing.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

46. Is that Senator McCarthy???

Well, the site and the supposed inventory are real: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=231&cat=185&category=353.

That LC9 looks nice but I don't live in Utah.

[gejohnston]

26. is the article about

guns or Mormons? Seriously, it almost sounds like he is trying to make Mormons the new Muslims.

[burf]

31. It doesn't matter who the culprits are,

its about guns so you should be afraid, very afraid.

[SteveW]

40. Not "very afraid," but "ve-wey afwaid." All better, now. nt

[virginia mountainman]

28. HA HA! It is storys like this that show just how nutty MAIG can get.

They still don't get it, the more they bleet, the more they loose!!

[Common Sense Party]

30. I sold my sofa on ksl--no background check of the buyer.

I hope I didn't commit a crime!

[slackmaster]

33. You're just a common criminal. I'll bet you even tore the tags off the cushions.

[krispos42]

48. Did you collect sales tax?

Did you report your income from the sale?


Oooo, sorry. 10 years in the federal pen, and we're outlawing advertisements for used sofas.

[Glassunion]

32. What I found interesting about MAIG is that NYC government

website addresses handle all of MAIG.org.

I wonder if NYC taxpayers know they are paying to operate the mayor's little pet project?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

41. I don't see why they would care.

Anyone that can afford the ~ 3%+ income tax and the 8%+ sales tax added to the state and federal burdens must just be rolling in it and probably doesn't care what it's spent on.

[Glassunion]

42. Meh...

I just found it odd that all of the Maig/.org/.net/.com is hosted on NYC government servers and was registered by a city employee.

Whatever... Not my tax dollars.

[liberal_biker]

43. Isn't that illegal?

Using city property for personal gain?

Oh wait - nevermind - that only applies to non-elected government employees

[Glassunion]

45. I don't think it is illegal.

Last edited Wed Feb 8, 2012, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't agree with his side of the argument, however I don't think it is illegal at all.

MAIG is not for profit, so there is zero personal gain.

MAIG is an initiative he setup to combat "illegal guns" and to collaborate with other mayors. I disagree with his methods and reasoning, however it is nothing more than another mayor setting up and promoting ways to combat anything (house fires, animal abuse, neglect, etc...) with other mayors. These are things that effect every city, just like illegal guns.

I just wish he would focus on "illegal guns" and not the legal ones he seems to damn hell bent on. Personally I wish there were more we could do to combat illegal guns, it just seems that every schmuck that tries it goes about things in the most asinine ways.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

44. Wow!

I've got a list here of congratulations and I'm not sure where to start. Maybe the best place is with hisonor, king media seeker, Mayor Bloomberg. I say congratulations to him for being allowed by his subjects, ah I mean constituents, to spend NYC tax dollars on an investigation into happenings in Utah. Next, I guess a measure of applause is due for KSL.com for finding a way to pass untraceable cash and firearms through the internet. Can teleportation be far behind?

As amazing as all that is, the investigators at Buzzfeed really went above and beyond in their discovery that Deseret Digital Media, Inc. operates KSL.com. I, personally, had to type the site's IP address into google and click search to find that out.

I can't forget, here, the hero of mainstream news, the New York Daily News. The Daily News evidently fired up their electronic dousing rod in order to locate that KSL.com piece on Buzzfeed from amongst their other high profile articles on "10 Places Beyonce Doesn't Belong" and "California Teenager Is Addicted To Eating Plastic".


Last, but certainly not least, a warm and hearty congratulations to our own JPAK for finding two different links to the same article on nydailynews.com.

[pipoman]

50. I'll bet KSL

is sending the bloomster flowers and chocolates for all of the hits on their otherwise overlooked classified ad site..

Oh, and I am completely doubting the 3rd ranking. It's been a while since I have shopped the forums classified sections, but a few years ago there were several forum classified sections which were very active (tfl, thr, S&W, etc).