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Oops Texas! But she was scared for her life. (Original Post) Starboard Tack Jan 2014 OP
In most roadrage incidents, both parties behaved as assholes. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #1
Holy Crap.... if you don't know WTF you're talking about, STFU!!!!! Adrahil Jan 2014 #8
LOL, You are correct! NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #9
Proving the old saying once again! "It's better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool, Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #20
She was a feared so it is OK now to them to pull a gun out or kill with SYG lunasun Jan 2014 #2
Goes to show that "I was fearful" isn't the magic incantation that it's petronius Jan 2014 #3
Good to see as it was starting to look like that 's the "get out of jail "phrase ! lunasun Jan 2014 #4
Her CCW would not be the same as any other CCW gejohnston Jan 2014 #5
It is sad to see that she values her life so poorly. ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #6
Rule 1: It's up to you to protect your family....don't depend on others ileus Jan 2014 #7
Are you suggesting that the victim should've been armed? Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #12
no, mearly pointing out that gejohnston Jan 2014 #13
Did I miss something there? Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #14
Yes he is, gejohnston Jan 2014 #15
If she has a carry permit, it should immediately be revoked forever. Skeeter Barnes Jan 2014 #10
So, how do we conduct a "temper" test? Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #11
It was just a suggestion. Where do you come up with this shit about tests and contract killers? Skeeter Barnes Jan 2014 #16
But you did say one can have either a gun or a temper. Sounds more declarative than suggestive. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #17
I never mentioned killing anything. Nobody in this incident was killed. Skeeter Barnes Jan 2014 #18
Oookaaaay! Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #19
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. In most roadrage incidents, both parties behaved as assholes.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jan 2014

In any event, there's enough stupid on both sides of the legislative question to circle the moon 27 times with football fields filled with elephants.

Kevin De Leon has enough stupid for our entire state's stupid needs through the next ice age.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
8. Holy Crap.... if you don't know WTF you're talking about, STFU!!!!!
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jan 2014

Aimed atr the dude int eh video, not you NYC_SKP, just in case anybody misunderstands.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
20. Proving the old saying once again! "It's better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool,
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jan 2014

than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

LMAO! What an uninformed jackass! Sadly, he's a Democrat and really makes us look bad.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
2. She was a feared so it is OK now to them to pull a gun out or kill with SYG
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jan 2014

! was fearful," Sciacca told KHOU 11 News when asked about the incident.

glad in this case she was arrested

petronius

(26,598 posts)
3. Goes to show that "I was fearful" isn't the magic incantation that it's
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jan 2014

sometimes made out to be. Taking the news report at face value, it sounds as though this person committed a serious crime and deserves some serious charges...

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
4. Good to see as it was starting to look like that 's the "get out of jail "phrase !
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jan 2014

Thought her position and declaration of fear was going to get her off
double wrong
Not!

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. Her CCW would not be the same as any other CCW
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jan 2014

That is to say as a government official, she is one of the "approved ones". Like the New York official who used his laser sighted Glock as a laser pointer. I would be in jail, he might get a chat but will keep the gun and the "deputizing". Like cops, they are above the law. IOW, as a government official she would not have the restrictions and probably not the stringent training requirements Texas requires. Therefore, your comparison is invalid. A better comparison to her would be LAPD using blue pick ups driven by Hispanic women as target practice.

Imagine if the guy was also armed and had a CCW. I guess whichever was left standing would've been standing his/her ground.
based on the surveillance video, he would. Even in a duty to retreat state such as New York, he would still be in the clear because it was reasonable to assume he could not retreat safely given that she had a gun.
There five principles of self defense that applies to SYG or DTR equally in the US:
Innocence
Imminence
Proportionality
Avoidance
Reasonableness
She has none of this. He would.
http://lawofselfdefense.com/the-five-principles-of-the-law-of-self-defense-in-a-nutshell/

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
6. It is sad to see that she values her life so poorly.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:32 AM
Jan 2014

Had she really been scared, she would not have followed the guy and then attacked him.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
7. Rule 1: It's up to you to protect your family....don't depend on others
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:51 AM
Jan 2014

Personal protection is up to you.

Safety first, and carry on.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
12. Are you suggesting that the victim should've been armed?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

What would you have done in this situation? Pulled out your PPD when she pointed hers at you? Would've shot her dead, would you? Or maybe she would've shot you and your family.

No wonder those who carry guns are 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who don't.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
13. no, mearly pointing out that
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

the cops don't have the ability, let alone the legal obligation, to protect you. It is ultimately your own responsibility.
BTW, if criminologists debunked the "study" why buy into it?

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
14. Did I miss something there?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jan 2014

My questions were directed to "Family Fun Guy", Ileus. I think he's capable of responding for himself when it comes to explaining the meaning of his post.

Now, your remark about the "study". It was not "debunked" IMO. Secondly, criminologists are not gods, nor was the study about criminology.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
15. Yes he is,
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jan 2014

I can't help but put my big nose in. Besides, public forum and all of that.

Perhaps "debunked" is the wrong word. Found to be "invalid" would be closer. True, criminologists are not gods, neither are crusading ER doctors gods or scientists.

Data recording and sharing: Scientists must record all data very precisely in order to reduce their own bias and aid in replication by others, a requirement first promoted by Ludwik Fleck (1896–1961) and others.[34] They must supply this data to other scientists who wish to replicate any results, extending to the sharing of any experimental samples that may be difficult to obtain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
The study has never been independently verified. Until it is, it means very little.
Since Kellerman told a couple of criminologists to pound sand when they asked for the data to test his study................. You get the drift.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
10. If she has a carry permit, it should immediately be revoked forever.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

You can have a temper or you can have a gun. You can't have both.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
11. So, how do we conduct a "temper" test?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

Anyone who has ever been shown to have a temper should be banned from owning a gun? Or banned from carrying a gun?
That would leave few very cool-headed individuals with guns, including sociopaths and contract killers.

Wouldn't it be great if handguns, or "Personal Protection Devices", as some like to call them, could be designed not to function when the handler is experiencing certain emotions? But even I don't think that is feasible.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
17. But you did say one can have either a gun or a temper. Sounds more declarative than suggestive.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jan 2014

I'm neither disagreeing with you, nor agreeing. I just thought your statement warranted further examination and discussion. I was not attacking you, but rather trying to process what you said and seeking clarification of what you meant.
My point was that everyone gets angry at times and the only people I can think of, who kill without anger, are sociopaths and contract killers.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
18. I never mentioned killing anything. Nobody in this incident was killed.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:20 PM
Jan 2014

My point was that people who carry can't go pointing their guns at people who make them mad. It's the wrong thing to do.

How you jumped to temper tests and nobody having guns but sociopaths and contract killers is beyond me. I thought it would go without saying that I didn't mean someone who stubbed their toe and exclaimed "GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!" or anyone who had ever become irate on the phone with a nasty bill collector. Things like that are understandable and quite different from stalking someone who cut you off and drawing down on them and then trying to claim it was self defense.

Your type of "discussion" seems more like a bizarre encounter to me. I'll keep that in mind and avoid your threads in the future. Have a good weekend.






Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
19. Oookaaaay!
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jan 2014

Sorry if I got you all riled up there. No offense meant, but thanks for explaining. I couldn't agree more. You too, have a great weekend.

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