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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:06 PM Feb 2014

Wendy Davis pro-2nd Amendment? Gun group suspicious

The Democratic gubernatorial candidate has joined her top Republican rival in supporting a proposed open carry law that would allow people with concealed handgun licenses to wear a pistol on their hip, in full view, while in public.

Davis told The Associated Press that she supports expanding gun rights in Texas. She said that includes open carry – a position that puts her at odds with her own party, but one she hopes will keep her from alienating gun-rights advocates in a deeply conservative state that strongly supports the Second Amendment.

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America (GOA), points out the Democrat's voting record isn't indicative of someone who supports Second Amendment rights.

"In the past, she has opposed people being able to buy and sell [firearms] privately – and she also voted against letting people who have a concealed-carry permit carry on campus," he tells OneNewsNow. "And now she wants us to believe that she's pro-Second Amendment, a pro-gun-toting mama? I don't think so."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2014/02/10/wendy-davis-pro-2nd-amendment-gun-group-suspicious
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Wendy Davis pro-2nd Amendment? Gun group suspicious (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2014 OP
Do you think she changed or views or is gejohnston Feb 2014 #1
Gunners think the 2nd Amendment means upaloopa Feb 2014 #2
I'm sure you can show us multiple exapmles of that, right? DonP Feb 2014 #3
More made-up bullshit like everything else. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #4
I ask you why all the laws to carry guns to schools upaloopa Feb 2014 #5
partly because of no compelling State interest. gejohnston Feb 2014 #6
You make my point for me! upaloopa Feb 2014 #7
So the answer is ... you made it all up - we understand the desperation to sound relevant DonP Feb 2014 #8
Could you flip that cassette over to side B? Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #9
I know literally hundreds and hundreds of gun owners. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #10
So what are your suggested new laws to combat gun violence? upaloopa Feb 2014 #11
I support: Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #12
+100. sked14 Feb 2014 #13
gun restrictions do not gejohnston Feb 2014 #14

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. Do you think she changed or views or is
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:18 PM
Feb 2014

simply pandering to attract voters from the middle or center right who might be pro choice and fed up with the likes of Rick Perry? The base of each party already made up their minds regardless of guns or anything else.
That is something Texans have to figure out for themselves

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Gunners think the 2nd Amendment means
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:53 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)

absolutely no restrictions on who what and where with guns. What other amendment has no qualifiers?
So if your not 100% gun nuttery you are not pro 2nd Amendment.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
3. I'm sure you can show us multiple exapmles of that, right?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:13 PM
Feb 2014

Where "gunners' claim "no restrictions" to use anything they want?

Or is that another claim you pulled from your nether regions, hoping no one will notice?

We'll wait for your examples.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. I ask you why all the laws to carry guns to schools
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:59 PM
Feb 2014

bars restaurants churches?
Why all the attempts to over turn new laws in C0 an NY
Oh no you just like new restrictions and support any and all reasonable gun laws
Give me a f...king break!
I don 't play your games

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
6. partly because of no compelling State interest.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:13 PM
Feb 2014

At least in the case of restaurants and churches. That should be up to the restaurant and church. Bars, or any other establishment that sells intoxicants to be consumed on the premise, there is a case to be made for compelling State interest.
CO laws were ill conceived and not support by the people of Colorado. While UBC checks are good, that specific mechanism isn't.
The NY law isn't reasonable and was also ill conceived since it was written by Brady lobbyists and passed unread by anyone including Coumo.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
8. So the answer is ... you made it all up - we understand the desperation to sound relevant
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 06:03 PM
Feb 2014

Make a wild claim about absolutists, then when actually questioned about it, quickly fall back to the "NRA Talking Points" or "I don't play your games". We've seen it before, plenty of times from others that also make stuff up.

While you're at it, want to tell us about your Dad's shotgun and hunting heritage too? Don't forget to prove you're really a "reasonable" gun owner so we all take you seriously. Bona Fides are very important to gun control "Fans".

Gun control "fans" not only can't seem to get jack or shit passed and just got handed another loss in the 9th circuit today.

Geez, if you guys can't get a win out of the "9th Circus" in San Francisco it's pretty pathetic.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. I know literally hundreds and hundreds of gun owners.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:54 PM
Feb 2014

Not a single one of them believes anything resembling that inane bullshit.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. So what are your suggested new laws to combat gun violence?
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014

If you don't believe in anything goes what regulations do you propose to combat gun violence? What restrictions on gun ownership and usage do you propose?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. I support:
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:10 PM
Feb 2014

I support:

* Universal background checks, with access to the NICS system by citizens and additional mental healthcare data incorporated into the "yes/no" decision.

* Mandating proper secure firearms storage and penalizing non-compliance if the improperly secured weapon is used in a crime.

* Continued rollback of the idiotic War on Drugs, one of the largest contributors to violent crime in the US.

* More stringent requirements for CCW permitting, including a range-based demonstration of competency and a meaningfully-comprehensive test on the laws regarding employment of lethal force.

Just for a start...

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
14. gun restrictions do not
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:28 PM
Feb 2014

curb gun violence or any other violence because said restrictions only affect those who are not committing it. In the US, it is the drug war and gangs. We have a gang problem. If Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, DC, NOLA, and Newark were to secede, our murder rate would be as low or lower than most of Europes.
Here are the real issues:
war on drugs
no jobs in impoverished parts of the city
zoning ordnances make it impossible for businesses and residences to coexist to make the neighborhoods walkable
neglected infrastructure
political corruption. One only has to compare the people lost to the criminal justice sytem and the crime rate of their cities. In Chicago, the altermen and gangs have mutually beneficial relationships. I doubt Chicago is unique. Boss Tweed and Tim Sullivan (Yes, New York's first gun control law was written by a gangster) might be dead, but their business model isn't. When the residents in the South Side want something done about the gangs, city hall sends someone to say "we need stricter gun laws because those rednecks from Montana bring guns in the neighborhoods." It is really bullshit theater and scapegoating just like Wayne La Pierre's "mental health registry".
I want to curb all violence. 2/3s of US gun deaths are suicides. MAIG et al are concerned about gun suicides. So am I, but and also concerned about he other 48 percent of the suicides where a gun isn't used. Why are MAIG, Brady etc. silent about those? The truth is "gun murders" "gun violence" "gun suicides" are a play on words similar to glittering generalities.
That said, I support most of what LP said above.

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