Woman defends family from violent home invaders

[Nuclear Unicorn]

[NYC_SKP]

1. Good for her, I'm glad she was armed with a semiautomatic rifle.

It looks like it could use a good cleaning and oiling.

K/R

[oneshooter]

2. The High Point M99 will shoot well with very little upkeep.

And it is called a"assault rifle" by the grabbers.

[SecularMotion]

3. They're also celebrating this on Free Republic

Here's the link if any gun nuts want to join the party.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3124837/posts?page=42

[oneshooter]

4. You would prefer the homeowner not be armed?

Perhaps calling the police and waiting for them to arrive and document the bodies would, in your eyes, be a better result. After all a firearm is not needed to defend oneself from such a robbery.

And the rifle she used in considered an "assault" rifle in some locals.

[SecularMotion]

29. Here's another celebration on Glenn Beck's website

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/19/crooks-bust-into-house-mom-warns-she-has-a-gun-they-say-no-you-dont-she-changes-their-minds/

[gejohnston]

5. Hitler was a vegetarian

so are you saying these people are Nazis?
It is called guilt by association fallacy.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/12-ad-hominem-guilt-by-association

Are you saying people should not defend themselves or their families, or what?

[SecularMotion]

6. It's rather telling that a search for this

results in page upon page of links to the same scant story posted on practically every right wing gun nut site on the internet.

If you ever follow up on these "home invasion" stories most turn out to be someone robbing a drug den or an ongoing feud. There are very few, if any, actual random "home invasions." I'm guessing from the surveillance equipment on a house in what appears a low-income neighborhood that this was a drug den robbery.

[gejohnston]

7. tells nothing

at least nothing of value, see the links about logical fallacies.

If you ever follow up on these "home invasion" stories most turn out to be someone robbing a drug den or an ongoing feud. There are very few, if any actual random "home invasions." I'm guessing from the surveillance equipment on a house in what appears a low-income neighborhood that this was a drug den robbery.

do you have evidence of this, or is this a popular claim on the Brady Campaign website? It sounds like a factoid. If you think I am saying that I am skeptical of the claim, you are quite right.
The house looks like a middle to working class neighborhood and the equipment could be found at a Florida flea market for a couple of hundred bucks.

[SecularMotion]

10. Here's another scant story that was popular on right wing gun nut sites

Fake story exposed: 11-year-old Butte girl never shot two “illegal aliens”

Sorry to all you gun rights and ammo nuts in advance; that story of the 11 year old girl in Butte, Montana shooting illegal aliens is a hoax. The story has been printed as fact on some anti-gun control and anti-immigration Web sites for their own propaganda purposes. Isn't it funny how people who love guns and hate Mexican immigrants tend to think alike!

According to the Mt Standard:

A dramatic story about a shooting that supposedly happened in Butte last year is nothing more than an urban myth.

The bogus story has been circulating for the past year on Internet blogs and Web sites concerning a girl shooting two men who broke into her Butte home in November 2006.

http://www.urbanmyths.com/index.php?/e-mail-Hoaxes/fake-story-exposed-11-year-old-butte-girl-never-shot-two-illegal-aliens.html

[gejohnston]

15. which has nothing to do with the story in the OP

fake stories are created all the time. Just like the fake story about forced RFID chips in Hanna Wyoming. That doesn't mean Are you saying the TV news is faking the story? I never heard of the story in Butte Montana. However, it doesn't change the fact that these, as was the one Detroit, seem pretty real.
http://www.kten.com/story/19848350/12-year-old-shoots-home-intruder
http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html

A couple of years ago, Think Progress had a fake story about being able to buy machine guns at gun shows.

[SecularMotion]

12. Here's plenty of evidence that "home invasions" aren't random.

https://www.google.com/search?q=home+invasions#q=home+invasion+drug+dealer&start=0

https://www.google.com/search?q=home+invasion+feud#q=home+invasion+feud&start=0

[gejohnston]

16. that's pretty anecdotal

now provide evidence that they are the rule and not the exception. The media reports man bites dog stories, not dog bites man. The media also tends to invent facts to tell a story.

[SecularMotion]

31. Here's another

Marijuana spurring Worcester home invasions, according to police chief Gary Gemme

WORCESTER — Worcester police Chief Gary Gemme said marijuana sale and distribution is the motive of most home invasions in the city.

"We have found that the majority of home invasions involve the sale and distribution of marijuana," said Gemme in a press release Monday. "The public should be aware that most of these incidents are not random acts but are targeted by those in the drug trade."

Gemme made the statement following a reported home invasion Sunday before 6 a.m., where a man was allegedly beaten by two men with guns who forced their way into his home and demanded money and drugs. The men reportedly tied up Anthony Vuona, 26, of 32 Pocasset Ave. while searching the apartment.

http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2014/03/marijuana_spurring_worcester_h.html#incart_river_default

[gejohnston]

32. that doesn't prove anything

and just because the police chief says it, it doesn't mean it is true. He could be just saying it to prevent people from freaking out.

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Not only that, it's ca. 800 miles from the incident in the OP

[SecularMotion]

36. Yet another

HOME INVASIONS: Crimes ‘Aren’t Random’

Des Moines police say they don’t believe the recent rash of home invasions is random and that often drugs are a common factor. Neighbors say they just want it to stop before someone is hurt or killed.

“It’s a fear of is this going to be my last day? Or will it be one of my kids? I’m scared for my kids’ life,” another neighbor said.

Police say not all twelve home invasion cases we have seen so far this year are drug related. But they say often the victims and suspects know each other and the attacks are not random.

http://whotv.com/2014/02/25/home-invasions-crimes-arent-random/

[gejohnston]

37. you are not providing evidence

you are providing unsubstantiated claims.

[SecularMotion]

38. Both are statements from law enforcement that dispel the myth of random home invasions.

[gejohnston]

42. they said they believe

do they have evidence that they are related? Besides, they were talking about that string of invasions, not invasions in general. Besides, law enforcement are not exactly known for telling the truth.

[Lizzie Poppet]

40. Besides, that "random" qualifier is transparent nonsense.

Of course most home invasions aren't "random." Only very, very stupid criminals (or insane people) commit "random" crimes. the use of that qualifier is a clumsy, obvious attempt to make it seem like home invasions are some sort of astronomically rare occurrence.

[blueridge3210]

8. Internet Telepathy strikes again!

Certainly couldn't that the homeowner wanted to be able to see who is outside without exposing themselves to a physical confrontation! Nope, cameras on the outside, low-income neighborhood = drug den!

[spin]

9. You rarely read of incidents where firearms are used in legitimate self defense on liberal ...

web sites or on the national news.

You rarely read that NYC which has strong gun control laws has seen a significant drop in murders caused by firearms over recent years on conservative sites.

No surprise in either case.

[NYC_SKP]

13. Take DU, for example. Gun posts are OK for GD if they aren't about guns saving lives.

Stupid gun tricks are OK, legitimate self defense uses are forbidden.

So, yeah, no big surprise that Google searches don't lead back here.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. The "ban" on gun threads in GD is a complete and utter joke.

It's downright embarrassing that Skinner allows it to remain in place when it's completely unenforced (so long as the gun post supports the control/confiscation side). The rationales in AtA for allowing this fucked-up situation to continue are absolutely cringeworthy. But getting rid of the ban would actually allow discussion of the matter to be fair and open. Can't have that!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. "most turn out to be someone robbing a drug den"

Because of her neighborhood? Sounds racist.

[SecularMotion]

20. Do you even bother to read posts?

I'm guessing from the surveillance equipment on a house in what appears a low-income neighborhood that this was a drug den robbery.

Are you ready to answer the question now?

Do you accept the official story of the events of 9/11 as provided by the Bush administration without question?

It's a simple yes or no answer.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

25. 9/11? I thought this was about your assumption this woman, based on her circumstances,

must be a drug dealer (apparently law-abiding people can't own guns or security cameras).

Tell ya what. I'll give you my answer to your 9/11 question if you answer my question about disarming people in the face of a murderous government regardless of whether or not you agree with my answer (because I'm pretty sure you'll find some nit to pick to weasel-out of your uncomfortable spot).

Dealsies?

[NYC_SKP]

21. You know, it DOES sound racist. It's certainly a "blame the victim", classist kind of thing to say:

If you ever follow up on these "home invasion" stories most turn out to be someone robbing a drug den or an ongoing feud. There are very few, if any, actual random "home invasions." I'm guessing from the surveillance equipment on a house in what appears a low-income neighborhood that this was a drug den robbery.

So, I guess their lives don't really matter so much. Is that the point?

Damn low-income neighborhood. Prolly used drugs.

[SecularMotion]

23. The point is that gunners have to resort to using examples of criminals fighting criminals

to try and prove that guns can save lives. The stories you post here to attempt to show guns used as self-defense are very sketchy on details and many times turn out to be false upon further investigation.

And if you associate the terms "low-income neighborhoods" and "drug dens" with non-whites, then you're the racist.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. The point is Controllers have to resort to criminalizing dissenting opinions and fact

regardless of whether or not any actual offense has been committed by decent people.

[gejohnston]

28. the vast majority of "gun murders"

or any other murders for that matter are criminals killing each other. That is part of why gun control doesn't affect crime rates, even in Australia.

The stories you post here to attempt to show guns used as self-defense are very sketchy on details and many times turn out to be false upon further investigation.

All news accounts are sketchy, including the ones where police assumed the place was a drug den, or the media claimed.

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. That lot has *quite* the visceral hatred for those that defend themselves (with examples)

Reading through these threads, the disinterested reader will find attacks on people in
wheelchairs, the elderly, and gunshot victims- all because they had the temerity to resist
with force:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117263352

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x460088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x196856#196923

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=128303

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=275101

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=453338&mesg_id=454170

It seems that these bile-ridden posters would rather lick a New York sidewalk
than admit there could be a legitimate use of guns by non-law enforcement civilians...

[rrneck]

11. Why?

If you've been there we're already well represented.

[ileus]

14. Why do you go there?

[beevul]

22. please feel free to point out any antigunners celebrating the lives saved.

Oh, wait, there aren't any.

My bad.

[Lizzie Poppet]

39. They probably celebrate Christmas there too.

Therefore Christmas is obviously bad...

[ileus]

17. Everyone gives the Hipoint carbines pretty good marks for reliability.

Sounds like she saved a few lives with her's.

[Jenoch]

18. Until further information is provided,

I will assume this lady used a gun to legally defend herself and everyone in her home.

Just because there are home invasions in which a criminal invades the home of another criminal does not mean all of them are the same.

[Eleanors38]

24. Correction: News reader referenced the thugs as "punks." In reality...

2 are punks, but the third who went back for, you know, a little more? He's a

HyperPunk™.

You don't want that skidmark on the streets until he reaches the age for colonoscopies.

[Kolesar]

27. Somebody defend my cat from the guy who shot her with a shotgun

They didn't kill her.

[Lurks Often]

30. This disappeared pretty quickly in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024527951

And some of the responses there were disgusting.

Good for her!