Bazookas and the founding fathers

[SecularMotion]

Principle.

The NFL hinted it would move the Super Bowl, and Apple said it could find a new place for a planned plant if Arizona legitimized discrimination most foul, most un-American, against gays and lesbians.

In a similarly principled stand, arms maker Magpul Industries has moved its plant to Wyoming.

The principle in question? People shouldn’t have to reload so often at target practice. That’s not what the gun lobby said, but . . .

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/10490792-113/gun-colorado-lobby-reload

[Straw Man]

1. Absolutely bad faith and a misleading title.

What about the one that this firepower is what the Founding Fathers wanted? A civilian population armed like just any military or police force to protect its freedom.

I hear this rationale, and I wonder why, then, just anyone can’t have a mortar, a submachine gun, a Stinger missile for plunking targets at the range. (OK, too time-consuming to reload; on the clock, you know.) Face it: The founders would have blanched at the thought.

I know of no police force that uses mortars or Stingers. Do you? Perhaps some Secret Service details have submachine guns, but they certainly aren't standard police issue.

Stingers are one-use weapons, and can't be reloaded. Submachine guns can be loaded quickly, like any other firearm with a detachable magazine. No one knows what the founders would have thought of any of this. In any case, let's just say that the lack of widespread advocacy for the possession of such weapons indicates a reasonable willingness to compromise on the part of gun-rights advocates. You're welcome.

Bazookas? Where were they mentioned?

A gun that fires unlimited rounds and can be bought like a scratch-off.

No such thing -- the limitations may be mechanical rather than legal, but there are certainly limitations. Bought like a scratch-off? Minus points for ridiculous hyperbole.

Is this the best you can do? Really? The quality of the fodder for your Google-dumpage has really been declining lately.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. Seems like a "gray area" to me.

[gejohnston]

3. I have a question,

That wasn’t Adam Lanza’s concern when he mowed down first-graders and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary with a 30-round Magpul mag.

What evidence is there that any of the magazines were made by Magpul? I downloaded the read the police report. If it mentioned it, I missed it. That said, the report was as unprofessional as NPD's response, which was very. It was so bad, it gave people like Alex Jones and the talk show host on Pacifica's Letters and Politics show (didn't catch his name ) fuel for the exercise/hoax theory. (I'm not saying I subscribe to it, merely mentioning the NPD's and CT State Police's poor quality of work and how Jones and company would come to that conclusion. Stupidity is generally more likely than malice.) Of course, that doesn't match the half assed way the media "reported" it.

A young gunman who killed three students at Chardon, Ohio, in 2012 wished he’d had a sweet 30-rounder on him, because when pursued by a brave football coach, he failed to reload after 10.

Most .22 semi auto pistols have at most ten rounds. I don't know the specifics of the case, but the shooter likely targeted those specific individuals, not making it a spree killer.

A rather boorish and emotional rant, but I sort of expected that when it mentioned bazookas in the title. Since the article didn't mention anything about WW2 era portable anti tank rocket launchers, I'm guessing he was going for hyperbole or doesn't realize they are not firearms and have never been under discussion about anything since passage of the NFA, which I doubt there were any rockets or mortars that had to be registered.

[Jenoch]

5. The Ohio school shooter used a Ruger MkIII.

To the best of my knowlege, there aren't any factory or aftermarket extended magazines available for that model.

[Straw Man]

6. I have never seen a MkII or MkIII magazine ...

... that held more or fewer than 10 rounds. The old MkI held nine.

[Jenoch]

7. I have an MkII and four magazines.

The way the magazine locks into place it seems like and extended magazine would not lock into place.

[gejohnston]

8. IIRC, the releases are like the the old school

European pistols like the Mauser Hsc.

[Straw Man]

9. On the MkI and II, yes.

IIRC, the releases are like the the old school

European pistols like the Mauser Hsc.

Up through the MkII, that's true. On the MkIII, they moved it up behind the trigger guard to meet contemporary tastes. Therefore, the new ones lock in internally rather than with the "around-the-end" European-style catch, and would theoretically be able to take an extended magazine. However, I've still never seen an extended magazine for one.

[Token Republican]

4. Actually, there is new research suggesting

that while the founding fathers did not have bazookas, they did use tactical nuclear weapons starting in late 1779 and continuing to war's end. During the dark days of the revolution, the colonists were facing the original red army scare, forcing them to take drastic steps to save the colonies.

The last know revolutionary era nuke was used near swampland near the Potomac River. This region remains toxic to this day, and lacks the ability to produce anything of value except hot air.

[Eleanors38]

10. Were the Fondling Fathers chewing gun back then?