Packing More Heat Will Result in More Killings

[SecularMotion]

When public support for gun control peaked after the Newtown mass murder, the National Rifle Association decided to double down.

The NRA called in all its political chips to vigorously and successfully block even the mildest and most sensible of gun reform intended to limit easy access to military style weapons and ammo.

Instead, the NRA offered its own novel analysis of the problem and proposed its own gun friendly solution. It spread the word that our astoundingly high murder rate is not facilitated by the fact that we pack 300 million guns. No, the problem is just the opposite -- the U.S. has too few guns. The best way to prevent mass murder in the schools would be to arm the teachers and the security guards.

The recurrent shootings at Fort Hood have been met with the same 'the-best-defence-is-a-good-offense' NRA strategy. According to the Alice In Wonderland NRA logic, we need to repeal existing laws that restrict guns on military bases and make sure every soldier is armed at all times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/packing-more-heat-will-re_b_5091012.html

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. Yet again, as gun laws become more lax the homicide rate declines.

The author also indulges in the typical straw man of claiming 2A advocates want everybody armed.

This is the same old stuff. If you're going to post better than half of the groups content please post something new from time to time -- unless your nefarious plot is to bore us into submission.

[SecularMotion]

2. You have the option to put me on ignore if my posts upset you so much

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. As do you.

But why post the same threadbare, easily refuted arguments? The falsity doesn't diminish and this group is immune to uncritical propaganda. Coupled with your refusal to actually engage in dialogue repeating yourself seems to be little more than spamming.

I'd wager you would be better received if you made an effort to make a point.

[SecularMotion]

4. Please stop being disruptive and derailing threads.

Please use alert if you think the post is spam.

I have no interest in being "better received" by the gun lobby.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. I posted a rebuttal to the topic of the OP and noted its redundancy.

If you think that is derailing then feel free to alert.

[blueridge3210]

6. Hear, hear! (NT)

[rrneck]

8. And there you have it.

Discussion is derailing the thread. So, what is being derailed?

[SecularMotion]

9. If you edit your post to delete the personal attack,

I'll remove my accusation of derailing threads.

[blueridge3210]

12. What personal attack? (NT)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. If you refuse to participate in any actual discussion of issues then noting this fact

is not a personal attack, it is an observation of fact. If you feel the observation is erroneous I would invite you to show where you have engaged in dialogue.

However, if the observation is correct and the connecting observation about your continually posting threads are taken as parts of the same whole then it has every appearance that your only motivation is to spam the group and harass its members.

Case in point, when I asked that the term "gun humper" not be used -- a thing anyone who is interested in real dialogue could grant easily enough -- you deliberately sought to antagonize me by employing the term at your earliest opportunity. Posting inflammatory content and making nothing but insulting and deflecting comments is the definition of trolling. Your every action leads us to assume you have no agenda except to abuse people. It would be easy enough to counter this charge -- engage in debate -- but you refuse.

You say you want to post without personal attacks but you attack personally. You say I can use the ignore feature but so can you. You say if your posts are so disruptive I can alert, but so can you.

If you really are working towards a peaceful and ordered society perhaps your cause would be better served by actually living up to your own rules and expectations.

[SQUEE]

7. But... we are not the gun lobby

We, and yes I feel comfortable speaking for many, are Democrats that disagree with you on a single plank of the prty, and the party supports my position, not the fearful, dishonest and bigoted people that want to violate the spirit, as well as letter of the Constitution.
You spread propaganda, and obstruct any dialog, and people are dying. Lets talk about what we can do, not try and win silly, and destructive gotcha games.
someone else has died and you play games...

[Straw Man]

14. Nobody is "derailing" your thread.

You have a bizarre sense of entitlement by which you think you can post whatever your want with complete immunity from criticism or disagreement.

You're wrong.

[Jgarrick]

10. And your opinion on this subject is....?

[SecularMotion]

11. The subject of returning gun trolls?

[Jgarrick]

17. You misunderstand; I asked your opinion of the OP, not your spamming of this group.

[Eleanors38]

13. But homocides are down. Why is this? nt

[DonP]

15. The whole "more guns does not equal more crime" is something they would rather not discuss

There seems to be genuine, twisted disappointment in the reaction by some gun control fans that violent crime continues to drop while gun sales remain high. You'd think they'd be happy that violent crime is down?

That's why they created the phony meme of "fewer gun owners with more guns".

But that still can't explain away the falling crime rate.

[oneshooter]

16. And they also refuse to accept the rising number of FOID's in Illinois. n/t

[DonP]

20. I had one of them tell me that Illinois is the only state that's happening in

Kind of hard to refute the dramatic increase in FOID cards (50,000 to 70,000 a month last Fall) as existing gun owners buying more guns.

When I pointed the facts out to them, only reason to bother with an FOID is to buy a gun and ammunition, they said,"Well, it might be in the case in Illinois because of concealed carry with a a few new gun owners, but everywhere else it's the same people buying more guns".

They seem to follow some kind of twisted bumper sticker form of "logic".

If it's only 2 or 3 words long and they saw it in an anti gun owner cartoon or in an angry post in a thread in GD, then it must be true ... forever.

Maybe that's why after any tragic incident they always propose laws that would have had nothing to do with actually stopping the tragedy?

[blueridge3210]

18. It appears the poster would prefer to not discuss ANYTHING. (NT)

[SecularMotion]

19. I wanted to discuss returning pro-gun trolls with you, but you ran away.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=143475

[oneshooter]

21. You can't even keep on the subjuct of your OP.

It seems that YOU are the disruptor/troll.

[blueridge3210]

22. And I asked about discussing pro gun-control trolls violating the SOP of this group

and you declined to respond.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. "Please stop being disruptive and derailing threads"

How quickly they forget:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172143457#post4

[Duckhunter935]

26. why do you not

want to discuss the cut and paste that you posted, seems to me you are the one disrupting your own post.

Did you miss that part of the SOP?

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

[Adam-Bomb]

25. Doing away with the so-called "Gun Free" zones will reduce killings.

[ileus]

27. What about woundings...

Will packing more heat result in more woundings?




As for me and my family we'll continue to fight the good fight, and refuse to be willing victims.