Analysis of Recent Mass Shootings (thru 7-17-14)

[doxydad]

UPDATED:

Using FBI data and media reports, Everytown for Gun Safety developed an analysis of mass shootings that took place between January 2009 and July 2014. The analysis found that there have been at least 110 mass shootings in this five and a half-year period.

The FBI defines a “mass shooting” as any incident where at least four people were murdered with a gun. Below are some of the report’s more surprising findings:

http://everytown.org/article/analysis-of-mass-shootings/

Stop the killing. Repeal the Second Amendment.

[hack89]

1. Americans will still legally own guns after the 2A is repealed

You are forgetting the state constitutions.

[doxydad]

2. Fine, Hack...

But it has to open up communications to stop the deranged from handling guns. PERIOD. Stop the killing.

[hack89]

16. So lets discuss ways to prevent the deranged from handling guns

nothing is going to happen until the conversation moves beyond "fuck the NRA" and "ban guns".

[doxydad]

17. Fuck the NRA and ban guns.

OK, let's do this:

Every State should have laws that make ANY and ALL gun owners take a mentality test to assure that they aren't mentally challenged. They should also make every gun 'owner' take a course where they would have to shoot and contain their shots within a certain targeted area. They should also have to do this, and then have to repeat this process to keep your arms ...every 3 years. Licenses should cost $500 per year minimum, and ammo should be a minimum of $100 per bullet. This of course would allow ammosexuals to really, really enjoy their 'hobby', while assuring that those of us who do not need guns and who do not live in constant fear, that these guns and ammo could readily be traced to the 'gun owner'.

Insurance companies should charge a premium and be 100% liable for their customers who engage in gunnery. I'm thinking $1,000 bucks per year , per weapon is about right, and no real 'gun owner', who really loves their guns, would disagree!

There's plenty more ideas, and the Second Amendmentality has to change before we can move forward without fear.

Personal note: Fuck the NRA....and ban all guns.

[hack89]

19. Your insurance idea would make the NRA a true political and financial juggernaut.

they would go into the insurance business like AARP and clean up. They could then offer a discount for members - that would increase their membership by several orders of magnitude, bringing in more money through annual dues.

If you think the NRA is too powerful now, imagine how powerful they would be with more money and more members.

[doxydad]

25. Nope.

They would have to get approval for setting up shop, and about the first 10 or 15 $5 million wrongful death judgements , they would shut down their little insurance camp.
I wish they would do just that, but, alas, they're the shills for the Gun and Ammo Manufacturers, and are not the voice of any gun owners. Maybe at one time they were, surely, not now. That's what baffles me and others. These people are shills and lobbyists...nothing more. Why people buy into their bullshit is amazing to me.

[hack89]

33. You just explained why no insurance company will ever sell gun insurance. nt

[NYC_SKP]

39. "Using FBI data and media reports, Everytown for Gun Safety developed an analysis"

.

Well, there goes any hope of validity and reliability.

Add to that how they are likely to process the data from an already skewed media representation of matters, and you're sure to have one result.

Propaganda.

Using FBI data and media reports, Everytown for Gun Safety developed an analysis of mass shootings that took place between January 2009 and July 2014. The analysis found that there have been at least 110 mass shootings in this five and a half-year period.

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. The NRA is *already* the largest seller of gun insurance in the US...

...and they don't pay out for wrongful deaths or criminal misuse.

Factose intolerance isn't helping your cause...

[NYC_SKP]

43. "$100 per bullet" "ammosexuals"

Small wonder that the member has hidden posts.

Sometimes DU juries get it right.

I wouldn't mind discussing solutions if the gun banning folks could refrain from issuing juvenile insults.

And, owners are supposed to remain trained, which suggests lots of spent cartridges.

At a $100 a pop?

[Eleanors38]

47. Grossly unconstitutional. But you knew that.

[EX500rider]

58. "I'm thinking $1,000 bucks per year, per weapon"

Nice, so guns for rich people only? Very egalitarian of you....

And no insurance is ever going to cover illegal use of weapons.

[Duckhunter935]

3. so what do you think?

Assault weapons or high-capacity magazines
were used in at least 14 of the incidents (13%)

4%) took place in schools, including primary, secondary, and college campuses.

Page 2 shows 2014 very sharp drop in mass shootings

Why all of the work on magazine size limits and a new AWB?


So what are your thoughts on the article since "Repeal the Second Amendment" is not going to happen and if it did it would not get rid of firearms. It would go back to the states and actually may increase ownership in many states.

[doxydad]

4. Why should there be ANY mass shootings?

If you HAVE to have guns, then it should be for 'sport' hunting, I suppose. These guns with multiple clips are used for only murdering other humans. The Second Amendment may not be repealed in my lifetime but the discussion has to include it. Those who cower behind it are not understanding that when it was written it was for a MILITIA fighting for independence, not some small-petered ass hat gleefully rubbing his AK in his mommy's basement. There's not a doubt in my mind that change is in the air, and that the Second Amendment will eventually be challenged and overturned. Not today, not in this 'lock 'n load' mentality but it will happen.

I recall back in the 80's where they said we would never have single payer insurance... it was nothing more than a dream, was fine for other Nations like Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany, basically the entire First World Community, but not us. WHY? GREED.

That was 30 + years ago and we are well the way to that destination. Same goes with this horribly outdated and heavily mis-spoken Second Amendment. It will be overturned. I just won't be around to see it. There are toughly 7600 groups around the Country that are investing in gun control, and I am PROUD to stand with them to stop the killing.

[Duckhunter935]

7. OK

If you HAVE to have guns, then it should be for 'sport' hunting, I suppose.

you will have mass shootings even with a bolt action rifle or shotgun. So you can not hunt for food, must be only for sport? What about safety from wild animals out west and in Alaska?

These guns with multiple clips are used for only murdering other humans.

Mine must be broken as they have only been able to shoot at paper targets or cans.

Those who cower behind it are not understanding that when it was written it was for a MILITIA fighting for independence, not some small-petered ass hat gleefully rubbing his AK in his mommy's basement.

Not what the USSC has found, but whats that matter. Cute attack on RKBA members of DU.

[doxydad]

10. Why do you need these multiple ammo clipS?

You failed...desperately to make your point. If you want to piss away your money shooting at a target, knock yasself out. I don't care. Problem is, your 'brudders-in-arms' who feel its just swell to show off these guns in supermarkets, and act like complete assholes are stooges of the NRA. SEE BELOW:

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You know it, I know it. WE ALL KNOW that you do not need any multiple ammo clips. If you feel the need to have this firepower, and you live in real fear, MOVE. Otherwise, I'm standing with the people who actually care about unnecessary wounding, killings and mayhem that guns bring. And as far as your sad little 'attack on RKBA members' line, if you feel that you're hurt, that would explain why you think that these killing weapons are all just swell!

[Duckhunter935]

14. my 1944 bolt action swiss K31

uses ammunition magazines, I guess I should not have that.

My 1926 bolt action Mosin uses ammunition clips to load, I guess I do not need that either.

My two AR-15 variants use magazines and I use the standard 20 round magazines that were designed for it. As it is legal, I will continue to use them. Easy to go through 10 20 round magazines during an afternoon at the range.

Nice of you to post images of a few open carry idiots but there are hundreds of millions of firearms owners that do not do that. I am one of those and we vote.

[NYC_SKP]

30. We need multiple ammo clips because even great marksmanship doesn't mean one shot will stop a creep.

In fact, six shots at a moving threatening target might not stop a creep, especially if that creep is high, or if they are wearing any form of body armor.

And, often, that creep has one or more creepy friends with them.

Your right to tell me whether or not I need multiple ammo clips ends at your property line.

Thanks for understanding.

[NYC_SKP]

35. Needs a bit of a history lesson, no?

Those who cower behind it are not understanding that when it was written it was for a MILITIA fighting for independence, not some small-petered ass hat gleefully rubbing his AK in his mommy's basement.

I don't need to tell you that the militia, organized and unorganized, and the second amendment were not for fighting for independence, but for maintaining a free state.

And don't you love how they love to toss the penis thing around, and the mommy's basement.

I'm embarrassed for their lack of skilz.

[Duckhunter935]

36. Agreed nt

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Ban all Guns!! n/t

[doxydad]

6. AGREED!

[Duckhunter935]

8. nice dream

but is not ever going to happen

[shedevil69taz]

11. Unless you go and vote based on this one opinion

that's pretty much where it will stay...because large number of gun owners DO go and vote sometimes based on this one issue, and when they hear opinions such as yours they tend to swing even harder the other way...

[Duckhunter935]

12. very nice

calling fellow DU members terrorists.

and the one on that side wonder why they get so little support. That comment should be denounced by all of DU.

[PowerToThePeople]

13. Guns serve two purposes

Death and threat of death. Both are acts of terrorism. Thus, my comment is truth.

[Duckhunter935]

15. amazing 3 people agree

that DU members are terrorists

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:36 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling all of any group 'terrorists', particularly some DUers, is out of bounds.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Just because it's prefaced with 'imo' doesn't make it a civil post.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's over the top.

Thank you.

My weapons have never threatened anyone. Locked in a safe when not in use and I do not feel the need to carry. So you are wrong.

[doxydad]

18. My weapons have never threatened anyone. Locked in a safe when not in use..REALLY??

My weapons have never threatened anyone. Locked in a safe when not in use and I do not feel the need to carry. So you are wrong.
Duckhunter935: We don't know you, nor what goes on in your mind, therefore, you can say ANYTHING here, but you will be challenged since you feel that strongly about this gun boobery.It's your word against anyone who does not believe you....who knows?


Obviously, you feel very strongly, so I have to wonder...why? VERY SUSPICIOUS!!

[SQUEE]

20. YOU also seem to feel very strongly

So much more than even DuckHunter, bless his lilttle ADA heart.. So much so that you have dehumanized your opponent and shrunk to name calling and odd fantasy world creations of a trogolyditic fetishists lurking in the dark... that my friend is truly suspicious, what deep dark secret are you hiding, why the bizzare and frankly, Freudian, projections, truly disturbing when looked at through your type of projection, I recommend you never be allowed near a gun.

[doxydad]

22. Go ahead...make mock..

..but I know for a fact that people who use terms like 'odd fantasy world creations of a trogolyditic fetishists' are people I cannot trust with guns....yeesch!

[SQUEE]

26. I'm not mocking

I believe you truly believe the things you say and I think projection from many who would steal my property and my rights is a look into how dark their hearts really are.
I have seen combat and seen violence in America, and yet have never fantasized about killing, I know exactly what my weapons can do, and therefore keep them safe and train with them consistently. I also train others to be realistic, and thoughtful what that piece of metal and plastic in their hands is relly for.
I would refuse to train you if you talked that way around me, I have a responsibilty as an instructor and rights advocate. You would be a NoGo at this station sir.

[SQUEE]

28. that is all you have?

I have posted numerous specific and informed thoughts, ideas and beliefs in this forum, and you spout gibberish, and inflamatory agitprop... and dare label me a troll, "have you no decency sir at long last?"

please stay away from weapons, sincerely, please.

[SQUEE]

32. LET'S SEE

trollboy, psuedo bubble heads and smileys.. yup, par for the course, and I will not move on nor yield to the likes of you.. This forum deserves a better class of banner.

You come from a place of fear and ignorance, that mekes me sad. I feel it is the right thing to do to reach out and help you. Maybe we can work through these terrible visions that haunt you. If you ever need to talk, well I am here for you.

[Duckhunter935]

38. Might feel better posting here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

This group needs all of the help it can get as they block any opposing views and the echo chamber is kind of slow.

[Duckhunter935]

24. Thanks

[SQUEE]

29. Was at Dona Anaa range 2 weeks ago..

then went up to White Sands.

I actually thought of you..

[Duckhunter935]

34. Too many people there now

Many field excercizes out that way over the years. "Roving sands"

Like Sill, smaller, less sand and dust.

[Duckhunter935]

21. think whatever

The truth is the truth

I do not care, what you think about me but it seems you might be just a little but judgmental or paranoid.

Mine as well as millions of lawful firearms owners use and store our weapons safely every year and do not go killing people. We vote, we do not need a billionaire to fund an AstroTurf effort.

We may disagree but I do not question your honesty like you are mine.

Hope you have a great day.

[doxydad]

23. Have a great day too.

[NYC_SKP]

37. "small-petered ass hat gleefully rubbing his AK in his mommy's basement."? Really, doxydad?

First, wow, do you really expect to convince anyone of an argument with comments like that?

Second, the militia has been defined in rulings broadly enough to include those belonging to the unorganized militia, ordinary citizens; it hasn't been made obsolete by the National Guard, as some have suggested.

Third, when the 2A was written, it wasn't to gain independence, it was to secure and maintain a "free state" in perpetuity.

Finallly, you'll never win. Some of the 7600 groups you mention are sensible, and others are batshit crazy.

I belong to one of the sensible groups.

TTFN.

4. Why should there be ANY mass shootings?

If you HAVE to have guns, then it should be for 'sport' hunting, I suppose. These guns with multiple clips are used for only murdering other humans. The Second Amendment may not be repealed in my lifetime but the discussion has to include it. Those who cower behind it are not understanding that when it was written it was for a MILITIA fighting for independence, not some small-petered ass hat gleefully rubbing his AK in his mommy's basement. There's not a doubt in my mind that change is in the air, and that the Second Amendment will eventually be challenged and overturned. Not today, not in this 'lock 'n load' mentality but it will happen.

I recall back in the 80's where they said we would never have single payer insurance... it was nothing more than a dream, was fine for other Nations like Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany, basically the entire First World Community, but not us. WHY? GREED.

That was 30 + years ago and we are well the way to that destination. Same goes with this horribly outdated and heavily mis-spoken Second Amendment. It will be overturned. I just won't be around to see it. There are toughly 7600 groups around the Country that are investing in gun control, and I am PROUD to stand with them to stop the killing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151623#post4

[Lurks Often]

40. Looks like someone was given a time out

It'll be August 24th before the OP can join us again

[IronGate]

41. Can't figure this out.

Power to the People also has 5 hides, but is still showing that he can post?

[Lurks Often]

42. Not anymore

might take the software sometime between the 5th hide and the posting block

[Duckhunter935]

44. Name calling is never a good thing

A time out might get them to think about being polite in their postings.

[IronGate]

45. Ok.

Was wondering why his avatar is still showing while doxydad's is now hidden.
I guess it'll work itself out.
Glad to see they are on a time out, maybe they'll learn some manners, although I'm not holding my breath on that.

[petronius]

46. It's not the avatar that indicates anything; doxydad just doesn't use one

But if a DUer has 5 hidden posts within 90 days they are blocked from posting (but not, I think, DUmailing, alerting, and reccing) until the earliest hides expire and the number within the last 90 days drops below 5 again.

You can see a suspended DUer's transparency page from their profile, showing the recent hidden posts.

As long as nothing else gets hidden, doxydad will be back in a week, and PTTP will be eligible in early October...

[Matrosov]

49. There's no need to repeal the Second Amendment...

...because contrary to what some political partisans on the Supreme Court think, the Second Amendment only applies to the "well regulated militias" that was meant repeal any possible further attacks by Great Britain when the US was in its infancy.

While we wait on the courts to begin interpreting the Second Amendment correctly, there are other things we can do to tighten the grip on gun owners and gun ownership. The day will come when firearms will thankfully no longer be part of our society, beyond the military and police.

[IronGate]

50. "While we wait on the courts to begin interpreting the Second Amendment"

And just how should the the courts begin interpreting the 2A?
Seems they already have correctly interpreted it.

The day will come when firearms will thankfully no longer be part of our society, beyond the military and police

Riiiiiight.

[Matrosov]

52. Right, the day will come

It is a matter of the control advocates becoming better organized and educated. Too many of them are politically active only when there is a mass shooting in the news, and too many are focused on the idea that banning certain features on guns or implementing limits on magazine sizes will somehow change anything

The NRA receives too much credit. Many would like to believe the accessibility of firearms is a consequence of the NRA's influence, when in reality it is a product of control advocates shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis, pun intended.

[sarisataka]

51. Military and police

Are you sure you want to go with that? Police are none too popular these days.

[friendly_iconoclast]

53. Right-wingers don't have a monopoly on authoritarianism

I offer up for discussion:

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10025401565

[sarisataka]

54. I don't get it

In one thread the police are power abusing racists enabled to legally murder.

In another they are the only ones with the training and professionalism to handle guns.

Often it is the same posters.

[Eleanors38]

55. Wow. 3 anti-2A posts hidden in 1 thread. Unprecedented?

Things must be changing here a DU. I don't think I've ever seen that.

[petronius]

56. It's part of the new DU civility policy: accredited Gungeoneers get

their votes counted four times on every jury. Also, all Host decisions--to lock or not to--have to be approved by a secret panel from GC & RKBA...

[ileus]

57. Here is the reason we must be progressive on CC and the 2A

Excellent link that tells me I'm doing the right thing by assuring I always have the tools on me to at least respond with something other than prayer.