Gun Control & RKBA
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I infer that most types of gun-control are designed to reduce crime, deaths and injuries involving firearms.
What goal are you seeking to achieved by advocating gun-control?
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An overall lower death and injury rate | |
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A lower death and injury rate primarily for those under 13 | |
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Any and all results from removing every last firearm from the planet are fine with me | |
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If we get guns off the street, we can then push to disarm cops. No more cops with guns equals no more cops busting into houses and shooting family pets or grandparents.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)everybody wins.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And I don't see how we get to a disarmed police force until there are a lot fewer guns among civilians.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)all have high civilian gun ownership rates. Finland is actually higher than the US according to some studies. Yet, their cops don't carry guns. New Zealand's and France's gun ownership rate is about the same as Florida's.
We have a criminal gang problem. The problem isn't us here at DU, or even over at National Review or any other member of the shooting sports community. It is gangs. Gangs in Australia still get their guns, including machine guns. All paid for by drugs. End the drug war, you take away their money, you take way their guns.
Some of it has to do with how cops are trained and the mentality of the cops we get. For example, I grew up where everybody owns guns. Until the 1980s, Wyoming game wardens (and many western states) didn't carry guns, or left them in the truck when they stopped you. Imagine pulling someone you know has guns over out in the middle of nowhere and approach unarmed. I saw that a lot as a kid. They only started carrying because of meth labs and what I call the tie dye Kochs. How many Wyoming game wardens have been murdered? One in 1913 by a commercial poacher.
The most left wing progressives I know own guns and hunt (partly to stick it to Monsanto, but still). When my oldest brother was a young cop, he went to a B and E. Guy came at him with a crowbar (a lethal weapon under Wyoming law), my brother could have legally shot him. He used his stick instead and took him alive. My grandfather in the same place, very devout Christian, never carried his revolver loaded on duty.
Maybe Wilson is a racist or just a badge heavy asshole. Maybe he isn't. I take the media and pundits with more than a pound of salt on either side. IOW, I frankly don't believe either side. Perhaps an indictment and public trial would be good either way, then the truth becomes public.
Straw Man
(6,613 posts)They regularly carry Glock 17s or Walther P99s. Interesting study here -- shows that the routinely-armed Finnish police have a lower per capita rate of fatal shootings by police than the routinely-unarmed British and Norwegian police:
http://www.academia.edu/6290307/Routinely_armed_and_unarmed_police_what_can_the_Scandinavian_experience_teach_us
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...that American cops and politicians are very big on control; anything that threatens the image that they are in control can expect a very serious response.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)Thanks for voting.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Like one simple weapon in your home, securely locked away from its ammo, or a gun kept at a licensed gun club for shooting enthusiasts. Hunting should be permitted of course, but not with "military style assault weapons", that is just fucking nonsense. If you have a legitimate need to carry a weapon, concealed or otherwise, that too should be allowed under strictly controlled and licensed conditions.
shedevil69taz
(512 posts)The subjective will of a politically elected Sheriff won't cut it. There has to be objective criteria for getting a concealed carry permit that are not overly restrictive to where only the body guards of the 1% can obtain them, nor so loose that every recently released felon can pick one up...there is a middle ground I promise.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)before gun nuts rewrote the laws on issuing or abolishing concealed carry permits.
shedevil69taz
(512 posts)and toward "shall issue" ones...the former using subjectivity of a local LEO (in most places) and the later using objective criteria...now finding out the right balance of those criteria are not the best yet in some places, but its still the correct system
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)since that was the motivation for it. It was invented purely as a workaround for the 14th Amendment, since they couldn't say "no guns for blacks" in the law anymore.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)What is a "military style assault weapon"?
What percentage of deaths and injuries involve "military style assault weapons"?
Isn't that what most states do now?
What would you change?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts).308 Winchester is just one caliber, lets see
the bullet knows what gun it is in and will not work for hunting if you use this...
http://www.fulton-armory.com/FAR-308-Titan.aspx
But the bullet works for hunting in this one....
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/centerfire/2011/11/20-best-semi-automatic-rifles-big-game-hunting/?image=17
Browning BAR ShortTrac in .308
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)I do love sarcasm but I was hoping to discuss the variously/capriciously/undefinable "military style assault weapons" term and to get an idea what he actually thinks needs to change.
So many of the DU pro-control folks are not allowed to discuss what changes they want. Maybe the MAIG is acting as their village of mommies. I do know one thing for sure; the inability to articulate a need or desire is best guarantee of never achieving a goal. Just try to imagine a football team arriving for the kickoff and being unable to define or for various players and coaches disagreeing on what a goal post is or what it looks like. Suppose different players didn't agree on the number of yards for a first down.
How much trust is inspired by a leader(s) that wants donations of your time, talents and/or dollars but has such an ill-defined goal for reasons that are shoddy and illogical?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Since magazines for my Browning are 50 bucks each, I instead bought 2 pmags for 8 bucks each Friday.
ileus
(15,396 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)is not the same as "gun control".
ileus
(15,396 posts)I guess?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Ya makes me grin really big!
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