Schoenberg announces support for Rahm's gun registry plan

[shadowrider]

Illinois state Sen. Jeff Schoenberg (D-Evanston) has endorsed Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel's proposal to create a statewide gun registry in order to decrease gun violence, according to a news release issued Friday.

Emanuel proposed requiring gun owners to register each handgun in their possession at a fee of $65 per gun. Currently, Chicago's gun control laws ban weapon sales in the city and prohibit people from taking guns out of their homes. For 28 years Chicago banned gun ownership entirely, until the U.S. Supreme Court overturned that policy in June 2010.

Prospective Illinois gun owners must obtain a firearm owner's identification card before purchasing any sort of gun, but Emanuel proposed that gun owners also register individual handguns, hoping it would help local law enforcement officials fight black market firearm transactions of lost or stolen guns, according to the news release.

http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/city/schoenberg-announces-support-for-rahm-s-gun-registry-plan-1.2700143#.TzqqR1HCG20

[burf]

1. How many other rights as enumerated in the

Constitution could Rahm and his ilk get away with charging a fee for?

[shadowrider]

2. If someone doesn't stand up to this

I guess the list is limitless

[burf]

3. If the money for the checks the Chicago politicians signed because of

cases like Heller came out of their pockets, then things would change in a big hurry. Don't they still ahve to pay the rest of the gun rights organizations? They paid the SAF as stated in another thread, but I haven't heard about the others.

[shadowrider]

4. Chicago taxpayers have bottomless pockets to pay

these sorts of fees, haven't ya heard?

[PavePusher]

5. Rahm and Chicago need to unfuck themselves, forthwith. n/t

[shadowrider]

6. I've turned down several jobs in the Chicago area

primarily due to their archaic gun laws.

My wait worked out as I'm now in Florida laughing at the weather up there..

[burf]

7. Go ahead rub it in.

It ain't Chicago, but it is 34 with snow flurries.

[shadowrider]

8. C'mon man, it's 68 here..I have the furnace going

Low all the way down to 55 tonight..sheesh..

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. + 1,000,000 n/t

[DonP]

9. Evanston was one fo the first suburbs to drop their handgun ban

When the NRA and ISRA filed their suits, they sent a "heads up" letter to Morton Grove, Evanston, Winnetka etc. telling them that they were going to be named as co-defendants in the McDonald suit ... if they kept their handgun bans in place.

The Evanston city council, after a single meeting of "sturm und drang", dropped it like a hot potato. Only Oak Park refused to drop it, since Daley promised to cover them financially. Now Oak Park is on the hook for a million or so $ after losing to Gura. Schoenberg, based on his keen insight, tried to talk the city council in Evanston out of dropping it. If they had listened to him they would be on the hook for a big invoice too.

I wonder what other constitutional rights Rahm wants to charge for? $50 for a voter ID card? Maybe $150 a month fee of for a newspaper or blog permit? A $10 admission fee to go to church in the city limits? He already charges for a protest permit in his designated "Free Speech" zones.

But as Rahm keeps saying, "it's not about the money"...except when it is all about the money.

Schoenberg is an idiot and will wind up on the losing side of this one too.

But maybe Gura & Possesky need a new Gulfstream 5 to carry their extra money around to their next case?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

19. I think citizens would line up to pay...

...to enter/live in a bullshit free political zone.

[HALO141]

10. Even on its face, that makes absolutely NO sense

"Prospective Illinois gun owners must obtain a firearm owner's identification card before purchasing any sort of gun, but Emanuel proposed that gun owners also register individual handguns, hoping it would help local law enforcement officials fight black market firearm transactions of lost or stolen guns, according to the news release. "

I can't even wrap my head around that logical disconnect.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. I don't see the disconnect, actually.

Registration can inhibit some intentional straw buying and shift of weapons to the black market. Doesn't do anything for real theft, but 'fake' theft, etc, can be limited this way.

Not entirely unreasonable.

If we could get ironclad grandfathering and no confiscation guarantees, plus no outrageous licensing/registration fees built in, registration would be beneficial.

It'll never happen though, because registries have been abused in the past, and nobody wants to offer us iron clad grandfathering.

[hack89]

11. Why doesn't he simply write the check to the NRA now

skip all the ugly legal stuff in the middle. No way in hell this will pass Constitutional muster.

[Hoyt]

13. Sounds good to me. What's to complain about?

[Glassunion]

14. If it is anything like other states that do the same

1. It will be expensive
2. It will not lower violent crime rates
3. It will go mostly unused by the police
4. It cannot be used to catch violent criminals who commit crimes with a firearm, even those that were purchased in the state
5. The fee per firearm is outrageous

Cliff's notes: It will cost millions of dollars and have zero benefit to society.

[Hoyt]

15. I think it does have benefit to society.

For example, make gun owners pay for the harm all the dang things do.

We tax smokers, and do -- or ought to tax -- polluters, etc. Why not guns?

If it helps track where guns came from, I'm all for it. Maybe those who buy more than they need will be more careful who they sell them to, how they store them, and question whether they really need another one of the dang things.

This is an area where I would charge/tax them out the ass.

[Glassunion]

16. It sounds good in theory. But every time it has been tried

and put into effect, it has failed to produce the results that you claim it will.

What makes you think that the 3rd most corrupt state in the US is going to succeed in doing something recommended by the mayor of the 1st most corrupt city in the US, where other less corrupt states, and countries have completely failed at?

Would feel safer if only the 1% could afford guns as your statement seems to imply?

[DonP]

17. Guns and ammo are already heavily taxed.

The problem you have is the politicians piss that money away on other things, like no bid contracts for their friends and other things unrelated to firearms issues. How much of those cigarette taxes do you think actually goes to smoking related illness?

But you could tax them more I guess, and while we're at it - charge a $10 admission tax to attend church. Maybe $150 a month for running a paper or a blog and a $25 tax for a voter picture ID card.

If we're taxing one constitutional right, why not tax them all. Hell, your hero Rahm already charges for "protest permits" in his approved "free speech zones".

FWIW, Guns already can be tracked down by the police when recovered from a crime scene. The manufacturer knows where every gun they made was sold and the FFL has the records on file for perpetuity. If they close the business they are required to send their records to the BATFE. So talk to Eric Holder about that. He seems to be really sharp at tracking guns.

[Hoyt]

20. Not enough. The 4%ers who carry in public and gun accumulators need to pay their fair share.

[DonP]

22. Yeah, well you start circulating your little petitions and keep us posted

As usual, like all your gun grabby brethren, you don't really ever "do" anything, except sit in front of your keyboard and act outraged.

You make no effort to repeal CCW in Georgia, nothing real to try and increase the taxes you feel are so desperately needed to punish gun owners and make them pay their fair share.

Hell, I don't even think you've had a LTTE published in the local Shopper for a while, at least none that you've even mentioned.

Is it any wonder that gun control isn't taken seriously by us or any of the political types anymore?

Schoenberg is an asshole, who never manages to be on the winning side of the issues. But ... since you back his ideas, I'm sure you'll want to send him a little check to prove how strongly you feel about it, right? After forking over $400,000 as a down payment to the 2nd Amendment Foundation I'm sure they could use the support, moral and financial.

Let me guess, you're big on "moral support", but never actually get around to doing anything about it? Ha!

[Hoyt]

25. Don, you don't take gun control seriously because you can't envision your life without them.

[DonP]

27. Based on your performance and terminal inaction we don't ever really need to imagine it without them

Our next step is putting concealed carry in Illinois and walking right over Schoenberg, Rahm and Quinn to get it done if we have to. In anticipation, I bought a really nice 1963 classic blued Colt Detective Special today.

So, once again, that "4%" will decide what the laws are for the issue.

But perk up, think of all the angry letters to the editor of the Atlanta Constipation Urinal about gun control you can sit in Starbuck's and draft, and then have rejected.

[Hoyt]

28. Only folks I know who refer to Atlanta paper that way are right wing bigots - and likely gun toters.

[DonP]

33. You obviously must have a very small circle of friends and acquaintances then.

Many of us refer to it that way in our secret gun owner/toter meetings.

[SaintPete]

38. Really? You know DonP

Is Don a "right wing bigot - and likely gun toter" ???

[Glassunion]

24. They do already pay their fair share.

In 2011, firearm sales generated $344,262,000 in taxes collected by the federal government(TTB) alone. This number does not include sales tax collected by the states.

[Hoyt]

26. Drop in the bucket for all the harm guns cause.

[Glassunion]

29. By your logic a Chevy Cruze(The best selling car in America) should become unaffordable.

If I bought that vehicle in my state. A bare bones, no-options model costs $16,800, I should have to pay $24,040 for it to cover for all of the harm that vehicles cost.

If I wanted an automatic transmission so my wife could drive it - $26,601

Suppose I wanted to buy the best selling truck in the US... The Ford F150 XL base MSRP - $22,990, I would have to pay $32,898 under your rules.
I need the 8ft bed for my job - $33,334
I need the extended cab to carry more than one extra person - $38,801

Or I could just pay $29,786 under the current rules.

[Hoyt]

30. People don't buy cars because they are lethal. Guns, they do.

[Glassunion]

31. So?

Dead is dead. Injured is injured.

Also, for me... It would be awfully hard to hunt via non-lethal means.

[gejohnston]

21. It is not the fee paying owners that

is the problem. Since most of the harm done with guns is financed by local crack and pot heads, how about such a tax on pipes and bongs?

[Hoyt]

23. More and more guns will always be a problem. I thought you were for legalizing/taxing drugs anyway.

So-called law abiding gun owners are a problem every time an innocent gets shot -- kid finds gun; carrier "accidentally" shoots weapon; gun gets stolen; slap happy gun owner shoot uninsured/unarmed teenager fleeing from a minor car breakin; another gun store opens because people are arming up to keep up with Jones's who are arming up; and more.

[gejohnston]

32. I am for legalizing/taxing drugs

but the current system is what it is. As a beer drinker, if I lived in Cook County in 1929, I would be more responsible for the St. Valentines Day Massacre than a non drinking deer hunter down state.

[Glassunion]

34. You don't hunt deer with a Thompson?

[gejohnston]

35. A BAR used a better

deer round.

[Glassunion]

36. Yeah, but it's made up for in the sheer volume of .45 ACP rounds out of the Thompson.

Swiss Deer.

[gejohnston]

37. and still be edible

the BAR's 20 .30-06 rounds hitting a deer in less than a second, a lot of venison burgers.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. Make that two seconds.

The Browning Automatic Rifle had a cyclic rate of fire of 500 to 650 rounds per minute. A BAR gunner was expected to be able to fire accurate aimed two round bursts.

[Logical]

39. Wat a shock! N-t

[Glassunion]

41. I will agree with the mayor, if and only if

every person on the Chicago City Council and the Mayor each have to register themselves and pay a fee of $9,803,921.57 a year in registration fees to hold their seat.

This will cover the annual cost to taxpayers for corruption in the city of Chicago.