FBI: 512 gun sales a day slipped through checks last year

[Eugene]

Source: CBS/Associated Press

CBS/AP November 26, 2014, 1:02 PM

FBI: 512 gun sales a day slipped through checks last year

BRIDGEPORT, W.Va. -- More gun sales than ever are slipping through the federal background check system - 186,000 last year, a rate of 512 gun sales a day, as states fail to consistently provide thorough, real-time updates on criminal and mental histories to the FBI.

At no time of year is this problem more urgent. This Friday opens the busiest season for gun purchases, when requests for background checks speed up to nearly two a second, testing the limits of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS.

The stakes are high: In the U.S., there are already nine guns for every 10 people, and someone is killed with a firearm every 16 minutes. Mass shootings are happening every few weeks.

"We have a perfect storm coming," FBI manager Kimberly Del Greco told The Associated Press during a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the system.

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[ManiacJoe]

1. Yes, many states fail in their duty to update the database.

Unfortunately, the data-driven system is only as good as the data put into the system.

[Eleanors38]

2. If states can't follow the law, how will they do so with other controls?

I'm not concerned with how many guns someone has; after all we are reminded of how there are allegedly fewer people who own guns (by % of population), and I don't see the "high stakes" when the number of people killed in homicides has been falling for years. And the yee-hah editorial about mass-shootings "...happening every few weeks" squirts out like a diarrheatic cow with no definition or data (sounds like AP).

Even CA (no weak sister on gun control) can't seem to get its bureaus to enter in a judge's order which should pop up on a NICS screen, 20+ yrs after the legislation was passed.

BTW, what's so scary about Friday?

[ileus]

3. I'm out of the gun buying business for a while.

Two fishing kayaks have directed my resources towards all the equipment needed for next season.


I do however, hope to pick up one or two handguns in the coming year and another AR.

I really need a CZ75 in 9mm and a 40 S&W...of course a 38 revolver would be nice also. I need a fourth AR so the kids would stop arguing, and everyone would have their own.

[Lizzie Poppet]

5. "I really need a CZ75 in 9mm"

Yes. Yes, you do.

A CZ75-B is my latest addition. Not something I really needed, mind (my usual carry pistol is smaller than that, and my go-to home defense weapon is a 1911 (in .38 Superautomatic), but I wanted a 9mm that was more pleasant to shoot than that carry gun (S&W 908). The CZ is a gem. Wholeheartedly recommended...

I suppose by some anti-gun standards, I have an "arsenal," and am of thoroughly suspect mental health (well, they may have a point on the latter...). Four handguns, four rifles...

[ileus]

6. I went to the last funshow looking for a 75 but...

come home with a FDE CZ p-09. They had a blued 75 in 40 that I really wanted for 479, if it had been a 9 It would be home with me now.

Since the 75 would be my fun range gun I'm leaning toward a SA version, but I'd love a shadow target also. lol

I'm finding more 38 super's at the range, I suppose if I scrounge enough empty brass I'd have to buy one...right?

I need a 9mm revolver...It's my favorite round to reload for (currently have 3 molds in the 120-124gr range) My current carry is a Shield in 9 and I really love it's size and function. Your 908 is a great blast from the pre plastic Smiths.

[Straw Man]

4. And yet ...

... no one ever seems to get prosecuted for lying on the Form 4473. The sale is merely denied, with no penalty. Therefore, sketchy people will just roll the dice and attempt the purchase -- they have nothing to lose. No jeopardy at all. "Lie and buy" was drastically reduced by the NICS check, but it wasn't eliminated.

Does anybody really think that the solution to the problem of government failing to enforce laws is to give government more power and more laws to enforce?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. "Does anybody really think that the solution to the problem..."

Maybe I'm being cynical but I think we're supposed to say: Oh, its all so burdensome, only a complete and total ban will save us now!!!

[Surf Fishing Guru]

7. The NICS database is a joke . . .

And while some improvements have been made, a fact is that of the 12,632,564 total records in the NICS database, (as of Oct. 31, 2014), half are "Illegal/Unlawful Alien".

Only 14.01% (1,769,460) are actually the good ol' American born and bred robbing, raping, assaulting and murdering criminals we all hear about, the ones supposed to be stopped by the check (Convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years).

The Lautenberg Amendment (Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence Conviction disability) has only added a skish over 100,000 names (0.88% of the total) and since we are on domestic violence, and given that nearly 3/4 of a million gun rights disabling Restraining Orders / Protection From Abuse Orders are issued every year, it really gives one a sense of the urgency government has for protecting women and children at risk, since there are only a paltry 47,296 of those records in the NICS database (0.38% of the total).

This shows how feebly deficient government is in doing what it is supposed to do. That state and federal governments can't cooperate and keep a functional, useable list of illegals, criminals, mental incompetents, wife beaters, and others with hard records that forbid them to own arms, doesn't bode well for the accuracy and functionality of the pined for registry of citizens with no records that posses a supposed "right" to own a gun.

That this pathetic and laughable "background check" of 12 million names is being touted as the vehicle to institute a list of 80 million law-abiding citizens and their 300 million guns is insane.

[bActive Records in NICS Index as of October 31, 2014] (7.6KB pdf -- fbi.gov)