Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumHillary’s White House bid energizes gun control supporters
http://thehill.com/regulation/other/239934-hillarys-2016-bid-energizes-supporters-of-gun-controlClinton, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, has been a staunch advocate of gun-control proposals, such as expanding background checks and banning assault weapons. Last summer, she ripped groups that oppose those ideas as out of step with public opinion.
We cannot let a minority of people, and thats what it is, it is a minority of people, hold a view point that terrorizes the majority of people, Clinton said during a CNN town-hall event.
The remark was music to the ears of gun-control groups, who want her to bring that same rhetoric to the campaign trail.
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Any thoughts here?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)IOW, neither are separately effective for the task, the combination aren't any more effective.
Plus, I don't think Hillary Clinton will make it to the General Election.
Will she energize the gun-control base?
Probably, that's not a hard thing to do.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,477 posts)At the moment the finance and donation inquisition is making lots of headlines.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)A trifecta of fail:
1: Run a family foundation WHILE you're secretary of state.
2: Approve sketchy deals and then TAKE funds from agents in that deal, and fail to report it.
3: Do these things while using a private email server in your home, then deleting files from it.
These taken together would be the end of the job interview anywhere but in bizarro land.
I looked into the Clinton Global Initiative's financial records, their Form 990:
Reported prior year figures reported on their 2013 Form 990:
Revenue: $28,221,924
Grants paid: $8,975,872
Salaries, benefits: $6,949,577
Other expenses: $12,296,668
Less than 32% of the revenue was spent on grants paid out.
Over 24% was spent on salaries and benefits.
"Other expenses" accounted for almost 44%.
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2013/271/551/2013-271551550-0b0d6513-9.pdf
GuideStar couldn't provide a Schedule A, which would have listed such details as salaries.
Chelsea V Clinton is listed as a director, but no salary is described, that's often on Schedules A and J.
Personally, when I know that United Way puts out 65-75% of their revenue in grants and CGI can only spit out 32%, it's a red flag.
And when United Way grants paid out are always well above the salaries plus overhead but CGI salaries + expenses are DOUBLE what the grants are, that's a red flag.
There is the appearance that CGI is a money pit that does some good but at a very high cost for doing that good.
Technically, it's legal to have a foundation that takes in money and all they do is fly around and make presentations and shake hands.
The numbers surprised me, but then it fits the pattern.
$28 million in revenue, and over $19 million of it going to salaries and expenses.
Red flags, much?
ETA link to their own statement: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_11-19-14.pdf
My figures above are from GuideStar, I don't know why Form 990 numbers from their site are different from the link immediately above, but the red flags are still there, much of the funds go to salaries and travel and conventions:
I think the Clinton Global Initiative is just a small chunk of the Bill Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation. Now my head really hurts.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)She's too vulnerable.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)She needs to watch that "minority" like the weather; it's changing quickly.
Shamash
(597 posts)I can't imagine any Democratic candidate who would be thrilled to push their message to the average voter with the hatred, hypocrisy, logical fallacies and frothing-at-the-mouth demonization we see on a near-daily basis from some of our GCRA types.
Do the folks here who have made outright calls for violence against gun owners think that comments like that are not going to find their way into circulation? And they think that attitudes like that will help Hilary amongst undecided voters?
Do these people not realize that being a total asshat and then claiming their candidate supports their asshattery is not the brightest of ideas?
I wonder what our local all-caps profanity-spewing anti-gun screamers will do if Hilary gets the nomination and the 2016 party platform still supports the 2nd as an individual right? Personally, I suspect that this minority of people will continue to hold a view point that terrorizes the majority...
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)I recall seeing a brief clip of her response to a gun violence-related query, and she was parsing her words very carefully.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)That for every one, gun control supporter she "fires up"...
...She fires up a few hundred gun RIGHTS supporters...
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,477 posts)...Heartbreak Ridge; Major Devin: "Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it."
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Yup.