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Related: About this forumSecond gun used in ICE agent murder linked to ATF undercover operation
Prosecutors recently sentenced a Texas man, Manuel Barba, for trafficking a weapon connected to the murder of Immigration and Customs (ICE) Agent Jaime Zapata
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In a related development, CBS News has obtained documents showing that Barba was under ATF surveillance for at least six months before a rifle he trafficked was used in Zapata's murder
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Documents indicate ATF opened its case against Barba, entitled "Baytown Crew," in June of 2010. During the investigation, court records state Barba recruited straw purchasers and "facilitated the purchase and exportation of at least 44 firearms" including assault rifles. On August 20, 2010 Barba took delivery of the WASR-10 semi-automatic rifle later used in Zapata's murder, obliterated its serial number, and sent it to Mexico with nine others just like it. Nearly two months later, on Oct. 8, 2010, ATF agents recorded a phone call in which Barba "spoke about the final disposition of ... firearms to Mexico and also about the obliterating of the serial numbers before they were trafficked." Barba told straw purchasers the guns were destined for the Zeta drug cartel.
A warrant wasn't issued for Barba's arrest until four months later; coincidentally, the day before a rifle he trafficked was used against Zapata.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57383089-10391695/second-gun-used-in-ice-agent-murder-linked-to-atf-undercover-operation/?tag=contentMain;contentBody
The ATF was certainly on the ball on this one. What an absolute joke of an organzation. Thanks to a serious journalist such as Ms Attkisson for not letting this tragedy be allowed to fall by the wayside.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:22 AM - Edit history (1)
That could be used to kill agent. No telling how many murders might be stopped by getting this guy. Sting them all, and not just those who traffic south.
beevul
(12,194 posts)"Sadly, someone would have sold a gun...That could be used to kill agent."
Who'd have thunk it...
Drunk drivers can now go to court and claim (if not me) "someone would have driven drunk".
" if not me) someone would have trafficked that cocaine".
" if not me) someone would have "x""
Yeah, thats an out.
Not.
"No telling how many murderer might be stopped by getting this guy."
I'm sure thats a comfort to the people and their families, who were murdered with the weapons that were allowed to walk.
The real question is:
How many murders were facilitated by walked guns.
How many governmentally facilitated murders does it take before the tactic of "gunwalking" becomes unacceptable, in your view, hoyt?
Or is it as the ATF/DOJ supervisor said, "got to break a few eggs to make an omlette"?
burf
(1,164 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sometimes things go bad, sometimes they work. In the F&F case, 20 something gun criminals have been indicted so far. I hope they keep forging ahead no matter how many of the "gun culture" curse them and try to bring the whole Obama admin down to protect their pipeline to guns.
burf
(1,164 posts)They were the ones who enabled the guns to get "run". Then they had the balls to try and get gun shops who tried to stop the gun walking indicted until the guns shops showed they had records of the ATFs telling them to let 'em go.
I remember a term that we used to use for such an organization as the ATF. " Fucked up as a soup sandwich".
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Callisto32
(2,997 posts)Sometimes the weirdest concepts.....
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)I much prefer the categorical imperative.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)join the ATF